In this episode, Dave and Chris jump into a DADS conversation before welcoming back Chef Roy Shvartzapel of From Roy who explains the art of panettone making. Then, the three discuss how personal preferences and subjective tastes shape our understanding of excellence in food, challenging us to redefine what makes food truly great. Hosts: Dave Chang and Chris Ying Guest: Roy Shvartzapel Video Producer: Victoria Valencia Majordomo Media Productions: Noelle Cornelio, Kelsey Rearden, and David Meyer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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