Dave briefly ruminates on how restaurant operators might view the industry differently in a post-pandemic world (0:00) before being joined by Hedley & Bennett founder Ellen Bennett to discuss the lessons she learned from her roller coaster of a career (9:11). Then, they play a short round of My Opinion Is Fact (39:43). You can pick up Ellen’s new book, ‘Dream First, Details Later,’ at your local bookstore or wherever books are sold. Host: Dave Chang Guest: Ellen Bennett Producer: Isaac Lee Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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