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The David Pakman Show

Trump admin desperation explodes with criminal probes

12 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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We are looking at what happens when a political movement gets backed into a corner and decides that the answer is absolute and total loyalty, no matter how extreme things get.

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Chapter 2: What are the implications of Trump's demands for loyalty amidst scandals?

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We'll start with Trump and allies now defending behavior that in any normal political environment would be completely indefensible. And then we will go to the further escalation by the unleashing of a criminal probe against Jay Powell, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, because Donald Trump didn't get the interest rates that he wants, which is a stunning abuse of power.

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But Powell refuses to be intimidated. We're also going to break down the cell phone video taken by the involved ICE officer who killed Renee Goode, which is blowing apart the administration's version of events.

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And then a totally surreal moment where Donald Trump wanders off during a high states White House meeting to look out the window and gaze towards an imaginary White House ballroom, which may or may not ever come to fruition. Kristi Noem collapses on CNN.

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Chapter 3: How is Trump attempting to influence the Federal Reserve's decisions?

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Fox host Peter Doocy gets dismantled on live TV by our friend Jake Auchincloss and much more. A show about desperation, loyalty tests and what happens when reality is optional. I was thinking over the weekend how in normal politics, in a normal political environment, there is a breaking point at some point.

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And what I mean by that is that something will happen that is so extreme and so obviously wrong that allies start to hesitate. Loyalists start to question whether this is something we can still defend. You start hearing hedging. You hear We need to change the subject or we need more information. And at the very least, you see people stop defending every single thing that an administration does.

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It's hopefully politics where there is at least a tether to reality. That is not what we are watching right now.

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Chapter 4: What does the newly released ICE video reveal about the shooting of Renee Good?

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What we are seeing now, and I believe we will lay this out in today's show is behavior so egregious that the only way to survive it politically is to defend it even more aggressively than before. What I mean by that is today's circumstances and what is happening nearly every single day is so beyond indefensible. that you can't come in with nuance or caution.

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You have to come in with total loyalty and a more aggressive defense of what's going on because it is not about policy anymore. It is only about belonging to the cult. Take, for example,

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Chapter 5: Why did Trump leave a meeting with oil executives to check on the White House ballroom?

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the discussion that has happened after the kidnapping of Nicolas Maduro from Venezuela in any sane political environment. The entire idea of was it legitimate or not? Was it legal or not? Was it constitutional? Was it OK?

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Chapter 6: How does Kristi Noem defend Trump's actions regarding law enforcement?

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That would be a nonstarter in a normal political environment. A sitting U.S. president kidnapping, abducting a foreign head of state would trigger immediate condemnation constitutional concerns, international backlash. Even the hawks would say this is not something that we can do. But here in the United States, under Trump.

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The concerns are waved away or the supporters of Trump say, damn right, we kidnapped him and we'll do it to Colombia and Cuba and we'll take Greenland and we'll bomb Mexico. Because if you express any concern at all, you're seen as weak or unpatriotic or you're secretly on the side of Maduro, even if you just question the legality of what's going on.

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So the conversation is not really about whether any of this stuff is legal or moral. It's are you loyal enough to aggressively defend the things that this administration is doing?

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Chapter 7: What contradictions does Trump express in his responses to reporters?

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Same thing with the killing of Renee Goode by an ICE officer. We'll have the cell phone video a little bit later today. In a normal system, the response would be obvious, even if I support the broader goals of ICE, which which I don't. But I'm saying there is a world that is more sane. where even the defenders of the deportation regime would go, I support the deportation regime.

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But this was an unarmed American citizen who posed no threat and even says in the video, I'm not angry with you or we'll get the exact line from her. And then she was shot and killed by an officer holding his gun with one hand and a cell phone recording with the other hand. In a normal system, we would say this doesn't seem right. Of course, we investigate.

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We acknowledge the gravity of what has taken place here. We admit that deadly force demands extraordinary justification and it doesn't seem like we had it. But instead, what do we hear? Instant defense and total certainty. Trump says it's the fault of the radical left. Why? She got shot. No investigation needed. The officer had to do it.

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Chapter 8: How does Congressman Auchincloss challenge Fox News on the ICE shooting?

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He he was disrespected. Trump said that's the newest one. And anyone questioning any of this, any of this. is not loyal to the regime. Anyone pointing to the video and saying the video doesn't correspond with the story of this administration, you're either lying or you don't care about the officers or you don't care about immigrant crime or whatever.

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And when journalists start to push back, they show footage. They just ask like basic questions. The response isn't, oh, yeah, you know what? That's interesting. We should reflect on that. The response is, how dare you question this? And that is the tell once a movement reaches a point where if you question anything and

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It is borderline a crime or in some cases, I mean, some of these protesters are being thrown around and detained and in some cases arrested merely for expressing opinions. We are no longer dealing with politics and substance. You're just dealing with a cult and an authoritarian cult. that behaves erratically when it is under pressure. They're not going to moderate.

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They're not going to self correct. They will only radicalize. And every single new scandal becomes a test. Every atrocity that you defend is a loyalty check at the end of the day.

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The worse the behavior, the stronger the defense has to be, not because it makes sense, but because backing down would mean admitting something unbearable to the regime, which is the leader may not be infallible, infallible, infallible. Um, that is why we keep hearing things like you can't criticize this. We can't wait for evidence.

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We need to prevent the state of Minnesota from even doing a full investigation. And that is how the defenses become increasingly unhinged because you need to ignore all of the data in order to defend a lot of this stuff. You're trying to communicate. I will defend anything. I'm loyal. I'm in. And notice how the defenses aren't even coherent. One day it's, you know, the economy is booming.

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The next day it's we need immediate interest rate cuts and Jerome Powell needs to be investigated criminally because he's not doing it. We'll get to that a little bit later. So we need to understand the moment in which we find ourselves. Consistency doesn't matter. Only allegiance matters. And this is what it looks like when a movement is up against the ropes.

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They know their behavior is alienating normal voters. They know they look extreme and they know that they can't defend any of what they're doing on the merits. So they don't try anymore. They double down. They get really loud. They get really mean. They get more absolute. And if you are in the cult, the greatest sin isn't being wrong.

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It's failing to fully defend the leader who in this case happens to be Donald Trump. So that's where we find ourselves. To some degree, this explains the behavior that we are seeing is doubling down and doubling down and doubling down is really the only way forward. And now they're looking at Jay Powell criminally. Let's talk about that next.

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