Lecrae sits down with Boyz II Men founding member Shawn Stockman for a conversation that goes far beyond the music. Shawn reflects on the journey from a kid in Southwest Philly to becoming part of one of the biggest groups in the world, and what happened when the industry that celebrated them began to move on. He opens up about race, the realities behind the music business, the difficult years Boyz II Men faced as a group, and how his understanding of success and purpose changed through fatherhood. 01:04 Introduction 05:06 Shawn Stockman Before Boyz II Men 07:07 Dreaming of Being on Stage 09:11 The Moment His Mom Heard His Voice 12:56 From Classical Training to R&B 14:52 How His Father Changed His Life 17:17 The Audition That Almost Didn't Happen 19:54 The Road to Boyz II Men 25:19 How Shawn Joined the Group 26:50 The Truth Behind Boyz II Men's Clean Cut Image 30:27 Sponsor 32:21 Boyz II Men Had Nothing to Prove 35:35 Surviving Three Record Labels 37:31 When the Music Industry Moves On 40:24 Did Boyz II Men Create the Boy Band Blueprint? 41:47 Race and the Crossover Success of Boyz II Men 44:13 Could Their Success Happen Again? 47:50 Sponsor 50:29 What Really Happens Behind the Music Industry 51:29 Being Taken Advantage of at the Top 55:05 Learning the Business Behind the Money 58:22 What Kept Boyz II Men Together 1:00:04 When Michael McCary Left the Group 1:00:31 Going from Arenas to Empty Clubs 1:02:51 Why Success Couldn't Make Him Happy 1:05:43 Finding Purpose Through Fatherhood 1:08:35 Raising a Son with Autism 1:10:07 Why Shawn and His Wife Started Giving Back 1:12:09 Would Michael McCary Ever Rejoin Boyz II Men? Stay hydrated throughout your day. Use code lecrae for 20% off at dripdrop.com Go to pendulumlife.com/deepend for 20% off first order Get paid EARLY. with the Earn In App. Use code: DEEPENDWITHLECRAE_PODCAST: https://tinyurl.com/3veyjh6j Step Into Reconstruction: https://reconstruct-u.com/ 📱Connect with us on Instagram! - https://www.instagram.com/deependlecrae/ 📱Connect with Lecrae - https://linktr.ee/Lecrae Stream the Deluxe Album: https://music.apple.com/us/album/reconstruction/1828052699 👕 Shop Lecrae Merch: https://lecrae.store/

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