Chapter 1: What triggered the chaos with ICE and Trump's response?
So let's get right to it. Colby Hall, who is the founding editor of Mediaite, joins us now. Colby, you've written an opinion piece on Mediaite.com, Mediaite.com. It says Trump just lost the Minneapolis narrative and he knows it. What do you mean by that? And I would say, if this is true, even beyond Minneapolis. But why do you say that? And welcome.
Well, thanks for having me, John. First of all, I have to open by saying the events on Saturday were just absolutely tragic, right? And, you know, there's obviously the murder of Alex Preddy, who was simply documenting the actions of ICE and was shot and killed. But what followed was, you know, senior administration officials
Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem, Gregory Bovino, all openly gaslighting to flat out lying to the American people, trying to create this narrative that somehow he was a domestic terrorist. He was a quote would be assassin who wanted to massacre a bunch of ICE agents. And thank God there was video because without that video, they would have held to that narrative.
Chapter 2: How did the Minneapolis narrative shift against Trump?
But that narrative or that video was sort of viewed repeatedly by multiple outlets. And everyone said, uh-uh, that's BS, no. And, you know, it, Trump is never, ever one to admit defeat or even retreat.
We saw a signal Sunday night when he did a five minute interview with Josh Dossi at the Wall Street Journal, where he refused to say that Alex Prudy did anything wrong and even open up the idea that maybe they would remove troops from Minneapolis, ICE agents from Minneapolis. And then early Monday morning, he sort of basically followed Brian Kilmeade's lead.
Brian Kilmeade all morning on Fox and Friends, which is Trump's favorite show. was saying, where's Tom Homan? Tom Homan is the grown-up. And by like 9.30, he announced that Tom Homan was going to be sent to Minneapolis, basically benching Kristi Noem and Greg Bovino.
And that doesn't necessarily look like a retreat, but in the context of Trump, that's as close to an admission of failure as you will ever, ever get. And I think you're right to question this. I'm not sure this is just...
this specific murder of Alex Pretty, rest in peace, but it's a larger sort of retreat and acknowledgement that the ICE, the Stephen Miller sort of ICE anti-immigration policy, which is so controversial,
is killing him and republicans in the polls this was something that he was elected on that that helped get him elected because he was strong in immigration and america sees what's happening and they're saying no this is not what america is so i think it's a pretty historic moment that trump was basically pivoting saying yeah this isn't working because i don't think he's really principled i think he only wants to try to win the narrative and this is an admission that he lost
Well, Colby, since you mentioned Kristi Noem and what she was saying on television, which was just infuriating most people, I believe, in this country who have eyes and ears, and maybe one of the reasons that he has called in Tom Holman, this is that interview, at least part of it, and then we'll discuss. Here it is.
Because you mentioned the protocol, there is an angle of the video that we've been playing all morning where it shows an officer removing a weapon either from Alex Pretty's waistband or a holster. And he walks away with the weapon before officers start shooting. It appears that Alex Pretty was disarmed.
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Chapter 3: What tragic event involving ICE agents is discussed?
If he was disarmed, is it the protocol to use deadly force? And that's all part of this investigation. Every video will be analyzed. Everything will be looked at. And that's part of the answers that I can't speak to every single thing that those officers thought. But this happened in seconds. They clearly feared for their lives and took action to defend themselves and the people around them.
If you if you watch that and you listen to those videos, you can hear someone yelling gun, gun, gun. And those agents and officers reacted to that. So as this investigation goes forward, all of that will be analyzed. What'd you think of that? That wasn't good. That was terrible.
I mean, one thing, Peter Doocy asked it politely, but a good, tough question. That was, Kristi Noem was backtracking from what she had said initially on Saturday, that it was, he was a domestic terrorist. But when I watched this live, when I watched him speak live, her speak live, and when I saw Greg Vino say all this crap on...
Part of me was saying like, you know, initially I was like, holy shit, I can't believe they're just openly lying. But there was part of me that was thinking, good, keep going, keep lying, keep trying to gaslight because you know what? Average American people across the partisan spectrum are going to watch that and say, like, what the hell are you talking about?
Chapter 4: What role does public opinion play in Trump's immigration narrative?
And they dug, they kept digging. And that was effectively the point of my column is that today, Trump said, you know what, we got to stop digging. We're digging this hole. We're going to pivot. Mm-hmm. You know, he didn't do that because, you know, whimsical. They're losing and they're losing big because Americans have had enough.
And not just of the killing of American citizens who are just peacefully capturing on video this ICE agent action, but just the open lying and gaslighting of the American public. It just can't stand it no longer.
I'm going to talk about how the American people feel in just a moment, but I'm wondering, they sent Todd Blanch out there, and I'm wondering if that helped at all. A little bit of that, and then we'll discuss.
Todd, I want to dial into the frustrations at DHS. My colleague Bill Malusian reporting about that, about the DHS's rhetoric. Here's a quote from his reporting saying,
frustration with DHS officials going on television and putting out statements to describe Alex Freddie as a domestic terrorist who was there to inflict maximum damage on federal agents or conduct a massacre even after multiple videos emerged to show that these claims appeared to be inaccurate and
Some of these sources have described DHS's response to the shooting as a case study on how not to do crisis PR. One said they're so fed up they wish they could retire. Another says DHS is making the situation worse. And even another adding DHS is wrong and we are losing this war. We are losing the base and the narrative. This is coming to a head, Todd.
I ask you, based on the DOJ's purview, do the actions of Alex Freddie amount to domestic terrorism?
Look, it's an investigation. So I'm not going to prejudge what his actions were or were not. But there's two things that have to be part of this narrative. There are two very important points that have to be part of the story that we're talking about. Number one is the reason why that happened on Saturday is because we get zero cooperation from police.
DHS, Border Patrol operates in 50 states doing hundreds of isolated... I've heard enough.
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Chapter 5: How is the Trump administration handling the backlash?
I'd love to know if that's going to come out, if there was such a thing. But it does not appear to have met that definition of domestic terrorism. So I'm just sort of wondering how you in the DOJ are viewing whether your colleagues may have gone too far.
Look, I don't think anybody thinks that they were comparing what happened on Saturday to the legal definition of domestic terrorism. What we saw was a very violent altercation, and I am not going to prejudge the facts.
You're right, there's a bunch of- Okay, on Fox News, I forget that guy's name, the- Griff Jinks. Griff Jinks, always a very nice guy to me. He's really grown.
And by the way, kudos to him. That's his top- Yes. When you've lost Fox and Friends, in a tough place. And Todd Blanch is a grownup and he's measured and he's smart, but he's saying the opposite of what his colleagues, Kristi Noem, Stephen Miller, and Bovino said just two days prior.
And what they should have said is like, this is a tragedy, we need to investigate it, we're not gonna get ahead of ourselves. But instead, they're operating under this idea that the speed by which you can start a narrative helps frame the narrative.
And it worked for them with Renee Goode because they got out before we saw the video and got everyone on that was prone to sort of be pro Trump and believe that that she somehow was had weaponized her car. And so that got into place. The speed of this dynamic changed dramatically. So good for Griff Jenkins for grilling Todd Blanche.
And Todd Blanche actually was responsible, even if he was sort of stumbling over himself. I mean, I'm not a fan, but he's a grown up and is being measured in this. But He was cleaning up a mess. And the opening segment, the Bill Mellugian thing that they opened that segment with.
That was tough.
Well, that was the signal, right? That was the signal that the Trump administration is saying, hey, we're going to throw Noem and Bovino under the bus, right? And this isn't working. And so that was the... And, you know, their talking points are all very well coordinated. So once that came out... The rest of it followed suit leading to Tom Homan going there.
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Chapter 6: What impact does the media have on the Trump narrative?
This weekend, after federal agents killed Alex Preddy during an ICE operation in Minneapolis, that belief met a limit and the collision played out in public, now public opinion. Here is Harry Enten on CNN.
Yeah, I'm not really surprised that President Trump is sending Tom Homan in because ICE, DHS, Kristi Noem have been a political disaster because just take a look here. I mean, ICE has not approval rating during Trump's term. You go back to term number one, look, it was pretty even, zero points. You go to June 2025, right? That was when all that stuff was going on in Los Angeles.
They dropped down, look at this, minus 17 points way in the basement. But then after Minneapolis, It's even lower, minus 27 points on the net approval rating of ICE. Of course, this all being done under Kristi Noem. So, no, what's going on in Minneapolis is not popular at all.
What's been going on during this second term under ICE, under the Trump administration, under Kristi Noem has very much not been popular, and it's only been getting more and more unpopular.
All right. What do you say, Colby Hall? Thank you for that. What do you say, Colby? It's exactly what you said. He says that's why they're sending in Holman.
He's right. By the way, Trump doubled down this morning. He's saying that if you put out a bad poll, that's criminal and there should be criminal charges. Of course, that's bizarre and dumb, but what he's saying, Is the tell is that he's recognizing that the polls, not just on immigration, but broadly are terrible for him right now. So what does he do?
He thinks, well, they're illegal because they're because he's in such a bubble of sycophants and suck up read that like he can't believe either he's lying or he really believes what his closest sort of allies are telling him, which are false because the facts are. 70% of Americans hate this policy.
And when you have imagery of an ICE agent shooting a dude in the head who is an ICU nurse at a VA and a great American patriot, like, again, we can't lose, like, just how absurd and crazy the actions of this weekend are. And largely because it's now a pattern. Rene Good was really, really terrible. Alex Pretty means that, oh, this that wasn't a one off. There's there's there's a line now.
And without any sort of material change in this policy, that pattern is likely to continue.
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Chapter 7: How are key Republican figures responding to the situation?
But for a brief and revealing moment, the administration encountered a constraint it could not outrun. The evidence held, and for once, authority had to yield to it. So now what? That's what I ask you. Now what?
Well, a couple of things. I think, you know, Tom Homan is going to go in and try to clean up. You know, the National Guard is there and they were handing out donuts and coffee, which was sort of a nice sort of change. I thought Tim Wall said the best thing ever yesterday when he called out Pam Bondi.
Pam Bondi basically said, give us the voter rolls and we will remove the ICE agents, which is just ridiculous. It's like mob boss extortion. Like, why do you want the voter rolls? What's going to go on there? And he responded and said, like, he said, pro tip, Pam Bondi, how about you go back to releasing the Epstein files? Because all of this, all of this
seems to be an effective and working um distraction from the thing that you know the doj is breaking the law but not doing the thing that congress you know uh bipartisan law that was passed and signed into law by trump they're not releasing the files as they are legally obligated to do so so i i think You know, is this the end of the Trump administration?
No, because he will never, ever admit defeat. And this isn't even an admission defeat. It's more of a nuanced observation. So but I do think that he recognizes that he's losing public support over this. And, you know, it's a slippery slope. It's hard to imagine him.
changing colors right he will he has proven himself to be consistent so all the things that in his behavior that have led us to this place will continue so until the republicans sort of find a backbone and step up and say like yeah you're going too far i don't know um you know there's part of me that says i have friends that say like don't defund ice like i said this ice thing like it's going to be defund the police it's it's it's a terrible sort of thing to think of but
It's going to be tough with the storm because of FEMA. That's going to be real. That's a real added.
It's like the police are going to backfire. Like this is a shitty political thing for this administration. Let them own it. Don't give them an out.
Yeah. I got to go with a quick answer. Have they lost the media? And by that, I mean the conservative media.
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