The Ezra Klein Show

Ben Shapiro and I Talk Political De-escalation

16 Sep 2025

Audio

Description

This is an episode in two parts. First, my thoughts on Charlie Kirk’s murder, now that I’ve had a few days to process it, and to see the unfolding reactions and responses on both sides. Then a conversation with Ben Shapiro — one that was recorded shortly before Kirk’s assassination, but that has a different significance after it.This episode contains strong language.Mentioned:“Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics the Right Way” by Ezra KleinDominion by Tom Holland“What J.D. Vance Believes” by Ross DouthatBook Recommendations:Superabundance by Marian Tupy and Gale PooleyDemocracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville The Constitution of Liberty by F.A. HayekThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected] can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.htmlThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Carole Sabouraud, Sonia Herrero and Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Transcription

This episode hasn't been transcribed yet

Help us prioritize this episode for transcription by upvoting it.

0 upvotes

🗳️ Sign in to Upvote

Popular episodes get transcribed faster

Other episodes from The Ezra Klein Show

Transcribed and ready to explore now

I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

19 Jun 2026

The Ezra Klein Show

Graham Platner, Jon Ossoff and the New Rules of Political Attention

16 Jun 2026

The Ezra Klein Show

What’s the Left’s Vision for Foreign Policy After Trump?

09 Jun 2026

The Ezra Klein Show

The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

05 Jun 2026

The Ezra Klein Show

Ian Bremmer on the Risks America Poses to the World

02 Jun 2026

The Ezra Klein Show

Does Trump Want to Lose the Midterms?

29 May 2026

The Ezra Klein Show

View all episodes from The Ezra Klein Show

Comments

There are no comments yet.

Please log in to write the first comment.

Report any issue

The Ezra Klein Show

Ben Shapiro and I Talk Political De-escalation

This episode hasn't been transcribed yet

Other episodes from The Ezra Klein Show

I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Graham Platner, Jon Ossoff and the New Rules of Political Attention

What’s the Left’s Vision for Foreign Policy After Trump?

The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Ian Bremmer on the Risks America Poses to the World

Does Trump Want to Lose the Midterms?

Sign in to Audioscrape

Share this moment