Chapter 1: What happened during the ICE operation in Minneapolis?
Hey everybody, welcome back to the find out podcast. We have a special guest today that we were going to talk about a lot of different things but we've got a breaking news situation where it appears that an ice agent has shot and killed a woman in a car. in Minneapolis, which it also looks like she was trying to get away.
So this is quite an explosive situation, but we're, we're very, very fortunate to have Congressman Eric Swalwell with us today. So Congressman, thank you for joining us. And obviously we were talking, going to talk about a lot of other things that this has just happened in the last two hours. So we're, we're pivoting a little bit.
So Congressman, tell us what you have, what you've seen so far about what's going on on the ground.
yeah it's horrific to watch i mean ice is absolutely out of control but this is what they want right they go into communities they're bragging that they've sent 2 000 agents to minneapolis the goal is to draw the foul is to put themselves in a position like this where people you know righteously are asking like what the are you doing in our communities and then they use you know that resentment
And that resistance is justification for what they just did.
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Chapter 2: What are the conflicting narratives surrounding Renee Good's death?
Look, I'm the son of a police officer. I'm a brother of two police officers. I'm a former prosecutor. And I have always had the backs of law enforcement. But what that officer did there was murder. You know, that there was no de-escalation. There was no effort to, you know, use any other level of force. It does not appear in any angle that I've seen, you know, that his life was in danger.
This wasn't somebody who was you're pinned against a wall and they're driving at you, you know, 20 miles an hour and you can't go anywhere. He clearly got out of the way.
Chapter 3: How are local leaders responding to the ICE incident?
He he walked away. He was on his own two feet. And look, there have to be consequences now. And so, yes, it is. The mayor says, and we all have his back. Get the fuck out of Minneapolis. Get the fuck out of California. We don't want you anywhere if you're not going after violent criminals and you're going to do stuff like this. But two, they have to be prosecuted.
Local officials have to use their law enforcement abilities.
Chapter 4: What is the broader context of ICE operations in Minnesota?
And I've been saying this to attorneys general all over the state. Go on offense. prosecute these masked, unidentified bandits when they commit kidnapping, false imprisonment, assault, and now murder. And I also believe that we have to strip them of their immunity. They can't participate in these civil actions and enjoy law enforcement like immunity. Law enforcement has immunity.
They're not doing law enforcement. They're participating in civil actions and now have taken the life of an innocent woman.
Well, I want to point out to folks that maybe don't know, but the Trump administration had just announced, I think the other day, that they were sending 2,000 ICE agents into Minneapolis because of this bullshit fake outrage that they've had around this fraud issue around daycare centers, which we have known about since 2019.
And the Biden administration had started the investigations into, and they made up this claim
Chapter 5: What legal rights do legal observers have during ICE raids?
And, you know, I'm curious to get your take. But like to me, it seems like because they want to denigrate Somali Americans and they want to they want to lift up the outrage of the MAGA base because his his poll numbers are plummeting through the floor.
And then to send these these masked agents, to be clear, there's all these photos of this guy who did this, but he's masked because they allow them to do that. Now, should we allow law enforcement to be masked in our cities?
no and by the way donald trump looking for fraud is like oj simpson looking for the real killer right give me a break i mean come on no i i have said that when we are in the majority i have talked to enough of my colleagues the masks are coming off and the ids are coming out and we have that ability when we're in the majority because we have the power of the purse and there's no democrat i know
who is going to fund ICE in a way where they're not accountable. And by the way, they're terrorizing women. Right now, our moms, wives, daughters, they could be pulled off the street by anyone in a mask without knowing who the hell they are. That's the environment that ICE has created right now.
And again, because I come from a law enforcement background, I know no other police agency, the FBI, the DEA, local SWAT teams go roaming around
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Chapter 6: How does the political climate affect ICE's operations?
in our communities, unless it's the most extreme environment where their own safety and like the cover of darkness is required in a masked way. They're the only agency that does this. And I also believe when you take the masks off, there's going to be fewer ICE agents who are willing to go out in the community and do this.
I think they have this invincibility complex right now because they think they're invisible.
no question have they even been able to identify this guy because he was masked or are they not is he unidentified i i think i actually saw him drive off and when you're watching the video i think he gets in a car really really off where in most investigations you know you would stay at the scene right there right there's a there's a protocol but that's why you know the if this was in minneapolis you know that's why the hennepin county district attorney's office you know should
Quickly assert jurisdiction and seek to interview, you know, the officer because that's a crime scene. A hundred percent. That's a crime scene. Right.
I mean, even from what I saw in the video, it looks like he's already pointing his gun while the woman is backing up, not while she's coming at him.
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Chapter 7: What proposals does Eric Swalwell have regarding ICE if elected governor?
So, I mean, this is I mean, that is, as you said, it's murder. This is it's clear as day. Obviously, it's a defensive position backing up. There's no reason to point your gun at somebody who's just blocking traffic.
That's exactly right. And I don't think we have any evidence that she brandished any sort of weapon at him either, right? She's in her vehicle. And as I said, I will defend an officer if he's pinned against the wall and a car's coming at him. And I've seen cases where an officer is in a car and a car is racing at that officer and the officer will shoot through their own window. That is justified.
Chapter 8: How can listeners support Eric Swalwell's campaign for governor?
This, when you just scoot out of the way and you're on your own two feet, not justified.
Well, I think and that's the point I want to really hammer home to people. And that's why I'm so glad we have you today because you have this experience. But but the use of lethal force has to be like clear and present danger. Correct. And what I'm seeing from that video, which you kind of see where he is. All he did was step out of the way and hurt. And you can even see the wheels on.
I look like a front wheel drive SUV or are turned all the way around to be getting out of the way. Like there's not a lot of ambiguity in this in this video. Of course, MAGA is all saying he did it to spare his life. But if you look at the footage, I don't know how any rational human being can look at that and say that that was a justifiable act by that ICE officer.
No, zero. As you said, the wheels are also turned and you can tell if the wheels are turned and he's looking at the driver, you can also see the hands turning the wheels away from him. And so anyone with half a brain can deduce that she's trying to turn away from where you are, not to drive right at where you are. It's unfortunate. I don't know who this woman is.
I've seen reports that she is a U.S. citizen. Doesn't matter if she's an undocumented individual or U.S. citizen. You don't die that way in such an unjustified way. But this is what they want. They want to go into our communities, surge these officers, and then hope that people resist. And then it gives them the justification and their own minds that they're looking for to commit violence.
Yeah. I mean, they're playing with fire with this, though. I mean, this to me feels like the spark point for something like what happened with George Floyd. I mean, this happened very close to where George Floyd was murdered to begin with.
But like I said this in the beginning, once this kind of thing starts happening, that's when you're going to see massive resistance from everybody in this country, because, you know, a lot of people are blissfully just kind of going through their lives and just seeing news headlines here and there. But things like this are the thing that can spark an entire shift.
So we need to use this momentum to really put the pressure on what I have also said.
as it relates to ice agents and governors and attorneys general you have so many emergency powers and law enforcement powers these guys only understand one language either they're on offense or you're on offense and if they're on offense that means the most vulnerable people in our community on defense something else that i would do i call it reveal to wheel
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