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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find Out podcast. We have a great, great, great show for you today. We're going to be talking about all kinds of foreign policy stuff. The war in Iran, new secrets that apparently Trump was keeping in Mar-a-Lago that just dropped this morning.
And also, we're going to talk about a brand new Find Out media show with our resident foreign policy and national security expert, Dr. Nola Haynes.
nola how are you today hi so nola is the new host and noah's been on the show once before and nola is the host of a new show that drops today so once you once you watch this you go watch that it's nola haynes is not a spy so nola tell us a little bit about the name and what the show is about and then we're going to dive into all this crazy stuff in the middle east
Okay, so first of all, thank you guys for having me back on. The first time I was on, we had such a good time that y'all gave me a whole show.
I know. Message to any important people watching, you come on the show, you might get your own show.
And I think you're our first repeat guest ever, right?
Yes.
Oh, shit.
So special. Nice. So first and foremost, I'm so happy to be officially part of the Find Out Media family. And I am actually really happy that we had a chance. most of us to get together in person for the DC launch party. That was really special. And yeah, so Nola Haynes is not a spy, regardless of what my father may think. The podcast drops today, really excited.
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Chapter 2: What is the purpose of Nola Haynes' new show?
And that episode really crystallizes what Nola Haynes is not a spy is about. So. First, the mission. The mission is to talk about foreign policy and security, but in a way where it meets culture, right? So we bring in those old school TV shows and films that you might have grown up with. Like for instance, I'm gonna give one part away from the Harry Dunn interview. He loves special victim unit.
He loves law and order.
Oh, I always call it Sfoo.
Sfoo. I haven't heard Sfoo. I heard SVU. I haven't heard Sfoo. So he loves SVU. It's not necessarily why he became a cop per se, but it's those things that kind of, that we grow up with that we don't think about in the context of being national security focused or foreign policy focused. So, That's how we're bringing culture into the conversation.
how we're getting to know people deeper is through what you watched as a kid, you know, and what you still watch. Like, for instance, I loved Commando growing up as a child because I loved Alyssa Milano. Like, I loved Commando. And I was like, I want to be Alyssa Milano and do action films when I grow up. So that was really formative for me.
So those are sorts of things that we're getting at when we talk to all these exciting people. Like, what were those movies that you liked when you grew up and do you still tune in?
Yeah. And I will say we've I've seen some bits of it already. It's really, really engaging, really interesting. And I think people are going to really like it. Also, I know it's going to be a hit because when Nola came to the to the launch party, she came with she rolled like like 50 people deep. Like she she packed the room. So I know even if they just listen, it's going to be a hit.
So you guys should get on board because you're going to be hearing a lot more about this. So but anyway, so so everybody go check out Nola Haynes is not a spy. It's available online. Wherever you watch this show, it will be right next to it. So you can go ahead and check that out.
But Nola, so foreign policy, national security is also in the news because we are in a war that nobody seems to understand why we're in it.
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Chapter 3: How did Nola Haynes prepare for her long-form podcast?
So I know you have all the answers, Nola. I know you can read deeply into the mind of Donald Trump. Do you have any sense? We're in like week, what, four, three or four of this war. Do we know why we're there?
It's starting to become clearer. At the beginning, the administration or the regime, they were not shy about bandying around concepts like regime change. And I don't think that they've moved away from that idea, but something a little bit more starting to become clearer. And that is Israel's positioning in all of this, right? Regime change to what end?
And what it is looking like is for Israel under Netanyahu to be positioned, um, as not just maybe the hegemon in the region, but also controlling oil and all the energy that flows through the Middle East. So that is a potential end goal to this. And I want to really point out to people that this isn't a new concept that Bibi Netanyahu has floated.
It's a reason why the Biden-Harris administration did not get on board with this plan. Right. But here comes Trump. He's gone. Oh, hey, let's let's let's do it. Let's break international law all over the place, because. there is this idea, not so much about a superpower, more than there's an idea of kind of like regional hegemons, regional powers, right?
So I am still waiting to see if that is in fact the end goal, because we don't know what China is doing per se and how they feel about that. They haven't really chimed in other than they want the war in Iran to stop. So it can't just be Netanyahu and Trump you know, maneuvering around the world, trying to carve it out in their vision. There are many other actors involved in this.
And the last thing that I'll say about this kind of regime change, wanting to position Israel as the regional hegemon, I think the other countries have something to say, you know, Dubai waking up to a five-star hotel being bombed was not on their bingo card. I'm quite sure.
Right. Right. I mean, I think that that's I think we're in a mess now because Donald Trump went in without a clear objective. And he was, as you said, talking about regime change. And yes, we have killed a lot of their high up leaders, the Ayatollah, though we replaced Ayatollah Khomeini with Ayatollah Khomeini, which we still haven't seen a proof of life of.
But, you know, it's theoretically the leader and we've killed a bunch of other people. But
um i think one of the things i'm really curious to get your take on nolan this is going to be a slightly sarcastic question no when you were in a war oh i got it my my main roots are going to come out on this one do you think it is generally a good idea when you are at war with somebody to allow them to generate more revenue during the fight when you're battling with them by say selling oil that has been banned from sales for years
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Chapter 4: What are the current realities on the ground in Iran?
I don't think people realize how much is just because of the Senate rules. The parliamentarian is just a person who serves at the majority leader's whim and can be replaced at any time. Every single thing that Trump wants done. Don't let him hear hear this.
every single thing that trump wants done could be done with a simple majority vote if john thune just said the parliamentarian has got to go and replaced with a mega loyalist who just allowed all the rules to be broken in the senate like that is literally the last thing standing between us and the save act and like all the in the in the mega act all the the additional voting rights restrictions like
It's it's it's terrifying. We have to have federal laws that change that so that we're not just hoping people back the system because they want to.
I mean, I would be in favor of of limits or the elimination of the pardon for president, period. I don't think like when they get like five. Or you get a number.
Chapter 5: What media failures are impacting the narrative around Iran?
You just like you get five.
That's like a get out.
It's a literal get out of jail for free card.
If you like more criminals than five, then you're going to have a problem.
This is the other thing that I think that the candidate that will end up being victorious in the Democratic Party, I think that they should be offering solutions that actually limit the power of the presidency. And like the fact that Congress is completely, you know, basically threw its hands up and said to the president, you could do whatever the hell you want.
Like there needs to be some reining in of this. And the fact that we are waging a war, it is a war without congressional approval is also illegal. There was no cleared present threat. And the only threat we've heard is Bibi Netanyahu, who has said for 40 years that Iran is three months away from a nuclear weapon. He has said that for you could find clips that go way back.
So I think we need to say it for 30 years. Yeah, I think it's a justice. And like you said, Rich, there's needs to be a justice agenda, which includes prosecuting people, limiting the powers and doing things to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
again how do we what law stops that from happening again in the future without handcuffing the president's ability to like to respond does it have to be a retaliation that that they're allowed to do or like how do we stop preemptive forever wars being an option for the president without you know handcuffing our ability to defend ourselves
Well, that's a great question. And then I will also circle back with the about what needs to happen about the justice agenda. So in terms of what law is being violated. So I want to be very clear. There was no justification. There was no reason for us to go into Iran in as much as people do not like Iraq to be. Do not like Afghanistan. There was ostensibly a reason, and that's 9-11.
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Chapter 6: What should progressive voices focus on during this crisis?
and we blow up a facility that maybe makes the chemical drug. There are reasons for the U.S. to respond in different situations. Iran... is us going in because Israel and possibly Saudi Arabia wanted us to go in. So I need that to, I need those things to be separate. There was no provocation. There was no reason we are simply there illegally.
We started an illegal war with a country killing its citizens. Yes. Doing horrific things. Yes. But that was not why we went in. Right. This is at the behest of another country. And that is the issue. That is the problem. And what I will say about the justice agenda, which I completely agree with, and I want to remind people, you know, BB out here would warrant just FYI.
He out here would warrant. Right. So in terms of what needs to happen. The issue is the problem is the presidency in and of itself. No one wants to run for office where they may need to cannibalize themselves. Right.
So one of the reasons why people run for president, although we say we don't have a king or a queen in this country, is because you imagine you're going to be shielded from certain challenging decisions you may have to make. And those typically are around foreign policy decisions.
So in terms of getting someone to want to run for 28, to stand on a justice agenda, to stand on accountability, not to pardon Trump, not to make the mistake of Nixon, we need to have a candidate that will be okay with presidents not being fully protected. And that is going to be a hard sell.
Additionally, like with law enforcement, one of the reasons why people become cops is because, you know, the culture says we will protect you. Right. You you you you are safe here. You know, you may have to make hard calls and hard choices, but we have your back. It's the same thing with being president of the United States. The law has your back, essentially, right?
So we need a candidate out there, what Rich said, standing on justice, standing on accountability, but also we need a candidate out there that isn't interested in doing things As they were, that world is great. That world is done. So when you're looking at a Gavin Newsom, who is very status quo, I don't know. I don't know. He talks a good game depending on who he's speaking to.
But people are looking for authenticity because they don't pull up those receipts. People are looking for a fighter, not just for their own ends, but for all of us.
yeah that's true but i i think that the um the person who runs has to show that like they're willing to take some negative with the positive right and i think that that will go a long way and i think it has to be someone authentic but somebody that speaks to that and in a new path forward i haven't heard a new path forward by the way no uh we're all waiting on that right we're all waiting on that uh but but
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Chapter 7: How is the U.S. military's involvement in Iran being perceived?
Already. But like what? So like what are we doing in this middle period? Because we haven't been talking to Iran like unless they're telling Trump because I heard that there was a story this morning that said that they're not actually giving Trump all of the accurate information because they're trying to not make him mad. which is really, really problematic. Not childish at all.
Not surprising, though. No. So do we have any support amongst any of our allies, Nola, on this incursion? Is there anybody who's like, yeah, besides, I'm not counting Israel, but they clearly do. But like, is there anybody else with us?
Not really. What could happen? Crazy. Is we have a damn moment. And what I mean by that is, is countries might be forced to get involved because we're at a FUBAR stage and they might just be like, damn, okay. You know, to protect our interests, we might have to get involved with this BS that we don't want to be involved with. That could be, you know, one of the situations and,
what I suspect that this regime is trying to force people to do. But, you know, like the prime minister of Spain, you know, has been very vocal and very open about, we are not about to get involved in this mess. This is y'all's thing. We don't have anything to do with it. Oh, and America, by the way, your leader sucks.
So, you know, there hasn't it's not just like it's a no for me, dog, but it's also like very hardcore pushback from some of these leaders. No one wants this war. No one fully understands it. And they definitely don't want to go to war because this is something that Bibi Netanyahu wants.
Yeah, I saw this thing yesterday or the day before that was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen, where it was like I think it was a political poll amongst people from like Canada, the UK. I think it was Germany and one other one of our major allies. The large percentage of them, given Trump's current actions and who he is, would rather be aligned with China than us.
in these countries yeah that's how bad this shit is like that that i looked at that i'm like how the like i mean it makes sense right like we're looking at it all makes sense but like that's sort of when i look at all this in totality to me that's really the end consequence where it's like all this stuff short term it's bad it's whatever like great the real danger to me long term is like we are going to lose our standing in this world and countries like china are going to take the standing we had like there's nobody else my sub stack article zach
I may be familiar, but it's true.
Abdicating to China, definitely. And, you know, I will tell you in the last administration, that was definitely one of the things that we were focused on China, China, China, almost to the point where, you know, some people were like, okay, enough with the China threat. We get it. But what we are doing is just making it easy for China to be more of the sympathetic state than what it actually is.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of Trump's decisions regarding Iran?
And... Yeah, fueling concerns among some of fueling concerns deeply like Susan Collins concern among some of Trump's allies that he may may not be receiving or absorbing the complete picture of the war.
And that's what's driving his frustration with the news coverage of the war is he's looking at the news and it doesn't match his highlight reel that is spoon fed to him every morning by the people who are afraid to give him bad news. So this is going to go super well, I think.
So is this when Marco Rubio goes into the oval with the shoes that are too big? With the clown shoes, yeah. Because Trump bought them for him and got the wrong size.
Mr. President, I got your video.
So he comes flopping in and he's like, we got some blow up shit, Trump. And he's like, yeah. And I mean, this is like two minute videos. This is like showing a three year old a ping pong video. Yeah, yeah. They're just playing it. Oh, they play it over and over again. He's like, me show things go boom. Yeah. Like that.
What?
Yeah.
oh with his shiny tacky gold you know like just just just the whole everywhere the whole dictator you know kind of mystique like like it's it's farcical and it would be hilarious it would be a great reality show if we weren't living through it like if i was in another country and i wasn't an american i would be watching this shit daily with popcorn like this is hilarious
But we are literally living through it and there's nothing funny about it. You know, I definitely think about our service members. It's one thing to sign up to fight for your country, but it's another thing to sign up and fight at the behest of another country. And for a president, I'm all for, you know, civilians being in the security and defense apparatus, you know, like myself.
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