Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, everyone. I'm Emily Campagno, along with Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, Kennedy, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. Anti-ICE protesters taking over Minneapolis streets as President Trump slams the brakes on a so-called drawdown of immigration officers there.
The president arguing the massive crime drop is in the city is thanks to those officers arresting thousands of dangerous criminals. Trump also warning that the protests and opposition aren't organic. They're organized, professional and paid.
Look at Minnesota, Minneapolis. We have crime down there because we took out thousands of people, despite all the mess and everything else. But do these people really want to have rapists? Do they really want to have drug dealers and people from prisons and murderers? Do they really want to have them in the community? You know, it's really insurrectionists and agitators, and they're paid.
And you can tell a lot of reasons. Number one, they're professionals, you know, with their mouth. But they're also, you look at the signs, the signs are all professionally made.
Meanwhile, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch announcing today that the DOJ is looking into some of the radical left-wing groups the president referenced as part of their investigation into the killing of Alex Peretti. Now, he also confirmed a civil rights investigation into Peretti's death is underway.
This is something that we're investigating, and we are. That's what we would always do in circumstances like this. And so there's an investigation that's ongoing, which I'm not going to talk about.
Are you looking at a nexus of left-wing groups?
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Chapter 2: What are the latest developments regarding anti-ICE protests in Minneapolis?
This DOJ said that that's something that you guys were concerned about. Are you following money? Are you looking at a potential that all of this may be related somewhere?
I mean, yes. Get your suit.
And at any moment, disgraced ex-CNN anchor Don Lemon making his first court appearance in Los Angeles after getting arrested. A grand jury indicting Lemon, charging him with federal civil rights crimes for storming that church in St. Paul, Minnesota during a Sunday service.
Lemon's lawyer, Abby Lowell, releasing a statement saying this, quote, Don has been a journalist for 30 years and his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done.
Chapter 3: How does President Trump justify the presence of immigration officers?
But the prosecution is arguing here, Greg, that indeed it's different in that it violated the FACE Act. And he also conspired to do so with a group of people that are also in court as we speak. Yeah, from my understanding, Lemon got arrested for the Face Act, and it's not that Face Act, Jesse. That's legal. That's legal now. Oh, God, we've come a long way.
No, he is guilty, and I'll tell you why he's guilty, because once I tell you why, it's so obvious. Number one, he was there at the beginning. Get the video. He knew all the details. He worked with the fellow activists. He helped them out. He even brought them coffee and donuts. But the most obvious thing is, He could have waited an hour. Religious services only last one hour.
So if he was a reporter, he could very easily have waited to interview people. But he is therefore his motive was, in fact, to impede the service. And that is a violation of, again, the FACE Act. I I. I think this is the best thing that has ever happened to Don Lemon. No career, no reputation, no friends.
I just hope this doesn't inspire copycat crimes, you know, with Jim Acosta, Keith Olbermann, and Joy Reid. They're going to be stampeding and breaking into all kinds. But, of course, they won't do a mosque. They'll get their asses kicked. But if you take theā It's a dance between the agitator and the media. They both know what they're doing.
The agitator creates instability and they even use whistles, which nobody seems to talk about. But that's meant to create instability, mental instability in law enforcement. It's a known tactic. So they talk. They're aggressive. They're violent. And then when the media appears, they declare victim status or they're what's called a cry bully.
So they get you all riled up and then they fall down like a pro soccer player. You know, when a ball comes rolling at them, the media did the same thing in the summer of love where they just airbrush a filter of of romance over insanity. The neat thing about Lemon is he collapses the agitation and the media into one ghoulish comical symbol. Him.
He's both the media and the agitator in one saves a lot of time. Meanwhile, what the politicians are doing is they're indulging a moral panic, which they did with Trump and trans and covid. And they find themselves protecting rapists, pedophiles, because in their world of indiscriminate compassion, they actually don't see the violent criminal. They just see whoever is punishing them.
And you'll notice this especially. And it came to my mind watching this. how the left and the media never pay attention to heinous murderers until they're on death row facing execution.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the DOJ's investigation into left-wing groups?
So they don't care about any of the victims. But when it comes to the criminals' time in the seat, they freak out. Last point, Jacob Fry, is that his name? He said, if you don't do something about this, your city is next. That's what he said. Actually, his city is next. Seattle just paid $30 million to a family of a man killed in the CHOP zone.
That was the protester-controlled area where cops were abandoned by decree. So Jacob City is about to be hit with at least two major lawsuits from these murder victims. You could probably do a class action suit. And so this short-term virtue signal that made him a hero is going to cost him probably at least $70 million, probably a lot of other things, but he's probably too stupid to care.
Yes, because ultimately you pay tax dollars because your city is responsible for your safety and they have a duty of care. So, Jesse, we sort of saw a little bit of that interplay earlier today. What do you make of Tom Holman say we're going to do a drawdown, the president coming out today and to Greg's point saying, no, actually, we don't want rapists in your community. You're welcome.
We're going to help get them out. You think I want to talk about Tom Holman when Don Lemon just got arrested? Emily, come on. It's Holman Friday. I did not have Don Lemon on my retribution tour checklist, but he walked right into it. Greg, I read the indictment. You know what his middle name is? What? Rinaldo. Love it. I mean, he is like a soccer player.
Yes.
Whining about getting kicked in the leg. It is illegal to interfere with the free exercise of religion in a house of worship. This is a slam dunk. Journalists cannot break the law. And then when they get caught, say it's fine. I'm innocent. I was just filming it. That's just not how it goes. Imagine your house gets broken into a 2 a.m.
And Don Levin is interviewing you in your pajamas while the house is getting ransacked and your kids are crying. You can't be there. It's so obvious. This guy was premeditated. He conspired. He knew the target ahead of the time. And then when he gets in there, he actively encourages the disruption.
They intimidate everybody, get along on the side of the pews, box them in, and then start screaming at the children, your parents are going to rot in hell. They were yelling to the parents, this is the house of the devil. And so Don Lemon the whole time is watching.
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Chapter 5: What charges has Don Lemon faced and what are the implications?
He's like, yep, kids are crying. They're traumatized. But you know what? It's got to happen. This is nuts. If this had happened at a synagogue, a mosque, forget about it. Don Lemon gets in the pastor's face and starts threatening him and intimidating him. Kids were screaming because they thought their parents were going to get shot.
Some of the parents couldn't get access to their children because they didn't have a way to get out of there. They had no escape plan. Eventually, they just like fled for safety. So Don Lemon the whole time is waxing poetic as people are crying and thinking they're about to be punched in the face now. And then he goes out and he sells the video on his Web site.
People on January 6th were arrested, actual journalists, and they didn't even go inside the Capitol. And for all the journalists that are out there saying, like, oh, he's a journalist, no journalist has ever done this before. This is the first time anybody invaded a church, shot it, and then tried to get off because they said they were a journalist. I can't believe he thinks this is fine.
I think he's actually going to do time. Harold, in the charging documents, it references what Jesse was talking about, which is that Lemon allegedly communicated quite heavily with those individuals that organized storming the church. And to take Jesse's analogy a bit further, you know, if you're filming the burglary, you wait outside.
You don't storm the front door and interview the screaming child while the bedroom is ransacked. A lot of people were frightened that day. And more importantly, their service worshiping the Lord was interrupted, which is staunchly unconstitutional. You're right about that part. It's good to be with everybody. It seems like it's been a little while longer than it has.
I'd say two things about Don Lemon because I want to talk about Mr. Holman in a positive way. Let the chips fall where they may. Don Lemon, he's got a great lawyer, Abby Lowell. Everybody has a presumption of innocence, as we all know, around the table when these things happen. And we'll have to see if the facts are what you and Greg so eloquently said. He will have a challenge.
I want to get to Tom Holman for one moment because I think We're at a moment here where both sides, where cooler heads are starting to prevail. There's been an admission on the side of the White House that maybe some of the ways they were going about this first was maybe too aggressive. The wacky liberals need to understand what they're doing in terms of some of these tactics and protesting.
It's not working. Everybody's trying to push a reset. Now, there's some who are saying they don't believe that Tom Homan is serious and that he can be trusted and that President Trump can be trusted. If we judge everything that way, we will never come to agreement or reach some kind of reconciliation about things.
If we just mistrust everybody, if everybody has might have been wrong before, everybody's now trying to come together. So if you're in a problem solving business or you want to problem solve, you've got to be in that business and you've got to be willing to reconcile and forgive to.
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Chapter 6: How does the discussion shift to the FACE Act and its relevance?
And I have a difference, perhaps with some around the table and even some in the administration is the hierarchy in which you do this. So you just go and pick up people who are here paying taxes, raising their kids who may be here illegally. Do you deport them or do we find a different way? But we'll get to that conversation.
I would urge Democrats, Republicans, and particularly the leadership of Minneapolis to take Mr. Holman at his word. I've been critical of him on this show in the past. I said sometimes I thought he tried to do a Clint Eastwood approach to this, but he's actually doing this the right way.
And I hope that Mr. Fry and I hope that Mr. Ellison, I hope that Governor Walz give him the benefit of the doubt. And certainly under the Obama administration, he deservedly so received awards for his service. So bipartisan support for Homan's work. I note that as we watch the live.
As we watch the live protests, we're seeing apparently it's now broadened in aperture because it's not just anti-ISIS. It's now pro-Palestinian.
Well, it's good to know that the protesters are so focused and so on message. You know, that's just incredible discipline. Are they going to trot out Greta Thunberg here any moment to call for the global intifada and then maybe cry some tears for those poor polar bears just off the shores of Greenland, which is just about to be invaded by Pete Hegseth and Marco Rubio and maybe a couple of SEALs?
This, you know, this is such a needless distraction. And to Harold's point, everyone who's in the streets right now, they are completely unserious. And I don't think a lot of people realize that it was possible to shift the focus of law enforcement.
And people in Minneapolis just assumed that federal law enforcement would do there what they had done in Portland for so many years and so many months. And that is essentially to stand by and believe be agitated, be terrorized by a very small group of people and sit there and be blinded and take it. And, you know, there has been a massive shift.
Do I agree with all of the tactics and all of the things that every single ICE agent has done now? And Tom Homan said the same thing. It has not been a perfect operation. And, you know, he has talked about taking the temperature down. And part of the hallmark of the president's negotiating style is he is not going to be predictable.
He is not going to take something else someone says in his administration and internalize it as orthodoxy. So he is going toāif someone says that there's going to be a massive shift, he is not going to give Rachel Maddow and Tim Walz a win because they're going around cheerleading and patting themselves on the back sayingā See, we knew we could do it. The heroes in the streets.
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Chapter 7: What are the differing perspectives on law enforcement and community safety?
I mean, I think she's currently homeless.
I'm not sure.
Not in that bedroom. Molly Ringwald was one of my crushes as a kid.
Really? I love Molly Ringwald. She was a crush? I had a crush on her as a kid. And John, John, John, he's still a star. No, he's not. He's washed up. He waited on me at an Applebee's. John Leguizamo. Is that how you say it? Leguizamo. Leguizamo. He played the little rabbit in, or that creature. Cartoon? What? Like you would ever eat an Applebee's, Greg. I love a good Applebee's. No, you do not.
The bee's apple you ate. James Carville has a big, fat prediction on which Democrat can win back the White House.
Dance party. The Democrats' bald little butterball. James Carville says Kamala has no chance in 2028. Instead, he's putting all his chips, the remaining chips, I suppose, on this high-rolling heavyweight. Watch.
If I were, like, betting the Kentucky Derby and I saw this 12-to-1 horse and I said, yeah, I want to get a price, I'd take J.B. Pritzker. Really?
Yeah.
Why? Not Kamala Harris? She's black. She has no chance. Why not? Because no Democrat wants anything to do with anybody that had anything to do with 2024. Just win. If we nominate two white males, no one's going to give a s**t. Sounds like Adrian.
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