Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Emily Campagno, Jessica Tarlow, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o'clock in New York City. And this is the five.
Fox News alert for you.
A major breakthrough in the 10-day search for Nancy Guthrie. The FBI releasing chilling new surveillance photos and video of what they are calling a potential subject wearing a ski mask and tampering with a Nest camera on the early morning of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance. The person appears to be armed with a gun around their waist and carrying a full backpack. Let's go to Alicia Acuna.
She is right outside of the home in Tucson, Arizona with this development. Hi, Alicia.
Hi, Dana. And actually, the most recent activity is happening right now at Annie Guthrie's home. We have our crews out there because the sheriff's department and FBI have shown up and are walking the streets in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood. That's about a 10-minute drive from where I'm standing. And our team there tells us they are going house to house on Annie Street.
Three detectives spent time in the backyard of a home that is two doors down from Annie Guthrie. We also know that they were seen searching through some bushes and some brush there. As I said, she lives about 10 minutes drive from where we're standing. Remember, the sheriff says this is where Nancy Ubered for dinner the night before she disappeared.
Her son-in-law, Tommaso Cioni, driving her home that night.
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Chapter 2: What recent developments are there in the Nancy Guthrie case?
The activity at Annie's house comes as the FBI released multiple images and videos from the nest cam that was taken from Nancy's front door in the early morning hours of Sunday. At 1.47 a.m. last Sunday morning, the sheriff says Nancy Guthrie's door cam. And then at 2.12, a person is detected. That is what we are seeing here, according to the FBI.
Now, the timing in which these images were released by the FBI was impacted by the fact that the Guthrie family told investigators they did not recognize the person in these photos and videos. And, Dana, that is according to NBC News.
At this point, the Pima County Sheriff's Department is saying that they will still not hold any news conferences or do one on ones with the sheriff until there is a major development. Dana.
Alisa, can I ask you a quick question? There's a lot of new information and people are trying to understand this. How long has this video or photograph been available to law enforcement? Do we do we know that?
We don't know how long it's been since they've actually been able to see these images because we learned at the very beginning of the investigation that when the damage, when that Nest Cam was damaged, that they were, and Nancy Guthrie didn't have a subscription to the service, so she didn't have video that was captured. So that data was actually stuck deep in the system.
And the companies, the Nest company worked with the FBI to be able to go into the server, to dig down deep into that data and grab it. We don't know at what point the Guthrie family saw it, at what point it was in the hands of the FBI.
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Chapter 3: How did the FBI's involvement change the investigation?
But from what we understand, once they realized that the Guthrie family didn't recognize this person, that they decided to take it to the public and ask everyone else's help, for anyone else's help, to see if they recognized the way this person walked, the way they moved, if there was anything about them that struck them enough to picture somebody else in their head. And if that happened...
then they should go to law enforcement.
Okay, Alicia, thank you so much. And Emily, this morning, it felt like there was no new leads. But then this afternoon, we get this. And so maybe there is hope that they can find this person and then find Nancy Guthrie.
me a little bit of the coberger case where it felt like everything was at a dead end and yet you sort of realized after a while when it exploded that it was just latent and this underscores that just because we aren't hearing anything doesn't mean that all of those incredible investigators are not working around the clock to locate information and just to underscore as well you know
People can throw away and toss away very easily clothes. And we've heard from experts that many seasoned criminals will bring a second pair of clothes on the inside or in the backpack or the like. But I do think the backpack is significant. I can tell you guys what all of your purses and bags look like, and I'm sure you can say the same about mine. You know about your colleagues.
The gait and the hand use is so important. I remember being at a bar in Berkeley and seeing a young guy down the way. And because of the way that he moved his hands, I was like, oh, I remembered him from camp when I was 10. And we reconnected. Everything's awesome. You know everything about someone's hand movements when you know them intimately. We'll be right back.
They will be able to identify them in an instant. And the more they narrow down that backpack, I think this is to where facial identification, if at any point AI use software technology that can help pick up continuity. And also keep in mind, while we don't know the timing of this nest video, we know it's nest. The top right hand quarter had the logo originally.
We don't know the timing, but they do. which means that all they need to do, and I hope there's compliance occurring with businesses and cameras around, is locate and triangulate where this individual went during that window after that. We know there's been some issues with footage and being saved in the Tucson lightings and things of that nature.
But at some point, they will find a commercial business or a home that picked up either the motorcycle or the method of transportation or that person walking and more. So I think this is so promising. Jesse, it seems that What a relief that there was the FBI involvement because they're the ones that know how to do all this stuff very well.
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Chapter 4: What insights do experts provide about the suspect's behavior?
The close cropped mustache is apparent. The finely manicured eyebrows are very apparent. You can't tell whether he's black, white, Hispanic. I think they'll figure that out later. But the FBI does gait analysis and you'll be able to tell that height, weight. The backpack's kind of key because it looks filled up. So I don't know if he had done a bunch of
burglaries earlier in the night and it was filled with valuables or he had tools to come in to do whatever he was going to do inside Nancy's house. I can't tell what he's got going on in the mouth because there's some reflection with the teeth. Does he have some sort of grill? Does he have a fake tooth? Does he have a light in his mouth? Who knows?
Those are all things that could identify him.
Yeah, absolutely. And all the clothing you can identify through the clothing. It's a huge break. I'm so happy. And it just doesn't seem like the family is being scrutinized as much anymore. Although this guy could be an associate of the family. This guy could also be an associate of any of the contractors that had came in. And that's why they're doing all the DNA analysis and going door to door.
It could be someone who knew a neighbor. But this is just a great break. It is. And it gives it keeps hope alive. Sure does.
Evidently, and from watching all of the social media posts on Savannah Guthrie's channels, you know how badly she needed to hear something or see something that indicated that there was a chance that her mother was still alive or that they would figure out what happened to her. So extremely thankful for that. I am.
So what Jesse said, and I was talking to a friend in law enforcement as well, said it doesn't seem like he's particularly professional. There's opportunity for beads of sweat or spittle to be somewhere in the house because of the orifices that were exposed through the mask. So that's maybe a good thing.
But throughout this investigation over the last nine days, I guess, since we became aware of it, It seems, and I'm obviously no Nancy Drew myself, but things, they've been investigating things that you would think they'd be looking at days prior.
So you know how just a few days ago, because a neighbor called them, they finally found out that there was a camera on top of Nancy Guthrie's house, or that the top of the house had been repainted, or now they're looking in the back of Annie Guthrie's house. which I would have thought that that entire area would have been totally cased by this point.
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Chapter 5: What role does digital forensics play in solving this case?
Greg, yesterday you suggested Savannah take a poly.
Yes.
Maybe that is happening. Who knows? That was a great suggestion. I'd like to take responsible for this breakthrough. There's a breakthrough. Yes, and I'd like to help anybody with this latest sketch of the suspect that I came up with right here. There you go. About what we've got. Yeah, if you see anybody like this in your neighborhood, call the authorities. Or it could be on the Olympic ski team.
We don't know. Why do people love this story? Because we all get to show off our chops as amateur detectives. You know, everybody suddenly becomes Hercules Perrault or that guy from CSI, William Peterson. Oh, the eyebrows are too thin. Clearly an amateur. That backpack obviously is a motorcycle backpack. But we all heard this stuff an hour before. Two hours. Two hours before.
Paul Morrow said it at 10 a.m. And then somebody says it at 11. Then somebody says it at 1. And then I get to sit here and go, hmm. But it sounds better coming out of your mouth. I've been told. I've been told. But is this like we're oddly more unifying than the Super Bowl? Because everybody loves to feel like they're part of this investigation.
I spent 10 minutes reading about the brother-in-law's band, Early Black. Not my cup of tea. But I wish we... Part of me is like, I do feel guilty. I wish we could harness this energy for other crime that we've covered. I don't think we're... guilty on that. We cover the killings of women by illegals, but the other networks don't. But they're all in on this.
It's because this is a media centric story and the media love stories that involve the media. They could put themselves in the thing. They can interview people that know the person. It's all so wonderful. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They know her. But you know what? What about the people that don't know anybody in the media?
You know, the media could be generous with their coverage for people who aren't in the media for young women who are raped and murdered. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to be like a self-righteous because at the same time, I'm engaged in this.
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Chapter 6: What can be inferred from the surveillance footage released?
I love a mystery that the drip, drip, drip of details. I'm like a bird at an eyedropper. Yeah. You know, and I don't know. My two cents, they're going around Annie's neighborhood. You know, I think that that says everything. I also believe that, like, Savannah could still volunteer to do a polygraph because that's, like, one of us volunteering to do a charity.
Then the rest of the four feels really bad. Is that how it works?
Yes.
It doesn't work on me. Hey, you go. first. It doesn't work on me.
I knew it wouldn't.
All right. But I want to get you to this. Fox News spoke to the Pima County Sheriff's Office. They were canvassing in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood and they were following up on previous leads. And let's bring in Randy Sutton in Tucson. Randy's a former law enforcement officer in Vegas. He was a Metro police lieutenant there. Randy, great to have you again.
I had a chance to talk to you this morning. And since then, there's this major development. What do you think of it?
This is incredible. Finally, some life shown in this investigation. As we saw it apparently degrade for the last few days, this is a major deal. And it really shows how... How important it was to have the FBI involved in this. It was through their technology that we were able to get these images and this video, which I believe will break this case.
So the only issue I have, of course, is that they weren't called in sooner. But now that we have this, this is giving an incredible amount of leads for law enforcement to follow up.
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Chapter 7: How are law enforcement agencies collaborating in this investigation?
And so given that, what do you think is the nexus of the communication between these different agencies? Many cases we've learned after the fact that if they're using different platforms or there's not sort of a tree of reporting, that information can fall through the cracks or be delayed. Information or evidence cannot be preserved or collected accurately or adequately.
Have you seen any of that yet? And do you feel now there's a cohesion moving forward that we can all benefit from?
Well, that's a great question. I think that, unfortunately, at the beginning, at the outset of this investigation, that played a role because there was not the communication between the Pima County sheriffs and the FBI at the appropriate time. They should have been called in sooner. That being said, though, when you have on the ground now.
The FBI's major case agents here, they have command posts set up. They have incredible resources. Between their command and control and their coordination with other law enforcement agencies in this area, I think we will see a much better arena here when it comes down to the communication that is absolutely essential when it comes down to now the search for this victim.
Jessica. Hi, Randy. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm curious as to what you think the odds are that this gentleman was working completely alone, what an accomplice structure might look like if he was taking out a woman probably incapacitated at that point from her home. That's a heavy lift, right, to get out to a vehicle or motorcycle or however he was operating this.
So what are your thoughts on, you know, the overall scope of how many people might be involved in this?
Well, I do believe that when they eventually break this case, they're going to find that there was a relationship somewhere between the victim and this suspect. I'm not saying that he personally knew her, but I do believe that there will be a nexus that comes out of this.
Now, I want to bring this up because I think it's been glossed over a little bit, and that is that we see that that backpack is full. What is it full of? And how does that correlate, in my belief, to the time that he spent in that residence? And I believe that it is very possible that what he has in that backpack were restraints and devices to control the movement of his victim.
And I think that's very, very troubling.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the suspect's backpack?
They are without any conscience. They are as cruel as cruel could be. And I hope they get punished to the furthest extent of the law.
It's such an evil thing. Thank you, Randy Sutton. Maybe see you tomorrow morning. Appreciate it. When I go to Trace Gallagher, he is in Tucson, Arizona, with a report for us. Hi, Trace. Hi Dana, I just wanted to kind of go over a couple of things.
Randy was talking there about the full backpack, which is fascinating because some of the detectives and the police officers I have talked to say that you don't go to rob a house with a full backpack. You would go with an empty backpack, which means that there was something else at play here. Maybe a different motive, maybe a different outcome was needed.
It's interesting because if you look at this video, you think, what are police learning? They are learning a lot about this. For example, you look behind me at the house, Dana. The house is brick, right? So they look at this video.
They can already tell you exactly how, well, within a couple of inches, exactly how tall this guy is because they go to the house, they measure the bricks, they measure it against the video, and they know that this subject... soon to be suspect possibly, is now between the heights of 5'8 and 5'10, which is kind of fascinating. They just go up. It's simple stuff.
They're getting a lot of information on this. You talk about the backpack and the gun being in the front, right? Greg was talking about that earlier, or maybe it was Jesse. And you talk to the experts and they say, well, one, you don't want the gun on the side because you have a full backpack. Your movements to try to get the gun on the side are now hindered
And if you can't have it in the back, you really can't get to it altogether. So you put the gun in the front. You can tell if the subject is left-handed or right-handed simply by the way the gun is pointing. And you talk about how long the video took to actually capture. And what's fascinating about this is people have said to me a dozen times today, Why didn't they show this video sooner?
They didn't have it sooner. I mean, what we're talking to, I talked to Kurt Knudson, the cyber guy, and he said, Trace, you have to understand that the first thing the FBI has to do is they have to get a warrant. That takes a couple of days. And then when you get the warrant, they got to go in the cloud and they've got to try to retrieve this.
But it's not just going in and looking for a bunch of pictures. What they have to do is they have to go in with the digital information and they have to rebuild the pictures. So it's not just, hey, I mean, this is needle in the haystack stuff times 100. And that's how complicated it is. But they go in, they get a nugget, they think something matches, and then they build the rest of the pictures.
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