Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, everybody. I'm Martha McCallum, along with Kaylee McEnany, Jessica Tarlov, Paul Morrow, and Greg Gutfeld. 5 o'clock in New York on Friday night in New York City, and this is The Five. The battle for the Strait of Hormuz is on.
Officials say that the United States is deploying an additional three warships and more than 2,000 Marines to help further decimate the already badly battered Iranian regime. This is President Trump calls out NATO for their lack of support, criticizing the destroyed alliance as a paper tiger in a Truth Social post.
And here's the president making a bunch of news on all of that while leaving the White House for Mar-a-Lago just a short time ago.
Well, you know, I may have a plan or I may not, but how would I ever say that to a reporter? If I said that to a reporter, Marco would say, please, sir, let's bring you over to the helicopter immediately, right?
I can't tell you that.
I think we've won. We've knocked out their Navy, their Air Force. We've knocked out their anti-aircraft. We've knocked out everything. We're roaming free. From a military standpoint, all they're doing is clogging up the strait. But from a military standpoint, they're finished. You need a lot of help in the sense of you need chips, you need volume.
And NATO could help us, but they so far haven't had the courage to do so. And others could help us. But, you know, we don't use it. You know, at a certain point, it'll open itself. You don't do a ceasefire when you're literally obliterating the other side.
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Chapter 2: What is the current situation in the Strait of Hormuz?
Of course, that one Australian ship did get through just a short time ago. That may be underway. So meanwhile, the loudest voices on the left are continuing to rail against Epic Fury. The Republican Party's support for the military and for the troops has always been performative. They fund the bombs. They fund the war.
They never fund the soldier. No one voted for new wars. No one voted for higher prices at the pump. No one voted for higher prices in grocery stores.
I think the Trump people are in a bit of panic. They're losing ground. Gas prices are soaring. There is massive discontent against this war.
Chapter 3: How is President Trump's stance on NATO affecting international relations?
It's got to end. Bernie Sanders chiming in there. So I did speak briefly with President Trump earlier today, and he talked about the fact that all he believes is necessary in the street really is a presence. He said, obviously, there's a danger that exists there. But when you think about it, and Kayleigh, let me get your thoughts on this. If you had that mobilization of an effort by Democrats,
including Japan, potentially South Korea, who the president told me today, are better than NATO, but not great in terms of showing up for us. If you had ships from France, ships from the United Kingdom, and they all were there to just do protective caravans through the strait, wouldn't that presence in and of itself create a whole different dynamic? Absolutely. That would be a game changer.
And that's big reporting that you got there from President Trump. We heard in his meeting with Takeuchi yesterday in the Oval Office that they are stepping up. They are being cooperative. And, you know, the degree to which that is manifested, we will see. But it would be a game changer for gas prices.
Ultimately, though, I think you are going to see a market recalibration in the long term when it comes to oil and gas. And what I mean by that is when you look at the action President Trump took in Venezuela, we have seen $2 billion in transactions on oil and gas out of Venezuela since that took place. And in fact, they have the largest proven crude oil reserve in the world, 303 billion barrels.
So we will see a market recalibration, not just in Venezuela, but in Iran when this all gets resolved. I would remind everyone, when we looked at those gas prices, the national average pulled up 388. The national average under Biden at its height was over $5. What did we get for that? Nothing. What will we get for this potentially? An Iran that is never able to have a nuclear weapon.
And finally, I would just say this. I am so tired of hearing from the left, was this imminent? Was this imminent? This wasn't imminent. This wasn't imminent. Well, wait, let's go back in all of time. Let's go back to President Obama. I found a 2015 report from Obama just after the nuclear deal was reached.
And it says this, before this agreement, Iran's breakout time, that's the time to get a nuclear weapon, three months. So 10 years ago, they were two to three months from nuclear weapon. But this isn't imminent. I have a clip from Jen Psaki, too, where she says the breakout time is a few months. Oh, but wait, this wasn't imminent. So when does it become imminent?
When they get a nuclear weapon, when there's mutually assured destruction, when we can't stop them any longer? I guess that is the answer of the left. Yeah. You know, Jessica, it's so interesting to me when you look at history and you look at the alliances that we've had with the United Kingdom, for example.
They put out a brand new statement this afternoon and they underline that the UK is now working closely with international partners to develop a viable fan plan to safeguard international shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. So it sounds like they're starting to come around. We've heard General Jack Keane say that he believes that eventually they'll be there.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of military actions on gas prices?
He came in. He talked to that crowd, which is center left, by the way. And at the end of the day, he was had a resolve to look. We're not naive. That's what he yelled at the crowd. Because everybody's like, we're not buying it, pal. Are you kidding me? You're telling me that we're going to trust them for their inspections?
So all that Trump did here, and by the way, MAGA, CNN poll, 100% behind Donald Trump right now. I mean, when have you ever seen 100% in anything?
Of MAGA?
Of MAGA, yes. Well, so what? Except Sam's Megyn Kelly. Let me ask you this. Who wins the election tomorrow under the current circumstances with the war going on? Kamala Harris. Newsom or Kamala? If you go out and you look at those gas prices and you look at the fact that inflation is taking up and the prediction now is that it's going to be over 5 percent. Kamala Harris is winning that election.
OK. Yikes. You know, you can cling to that. But the idea that Kamala Harris could win an election among 330 sentient human beings in this nation isn't going to happen. Nope. So, Greg, I spoke today to a national champion wrestler in Iran who is now an activist. There was a 17 year old young man, a 19 year old, excuse me, who was hung in a public square.
I am not hearing outrage on what's going on here about him or about the 30,000 people who were killed in the streets by people who are on the left in this country. And I can't figure out why they're so silent on all of this. What's your thought on that or all of this? Well, because it's a political calculation. It's not a moral one. It is normal to be against war.
You know, no one argues with that unless you what you said and done before disqualifies you. So if you are anti-Trump on everything, then we know that what you're doing now isn't driven by facts or premises or results. It's driven by emotion. So when you come out against the war, it's kind of a false positive thing. It doesn't matter.
Of course, there are people on the right who are critical of the war. That holds more weight until you look at why. A lot of them link it to Israel, but the Internet will show you. Trump was all about Iran before Netanyahu was.
And this is despite the loudest influencers, which you mentioned, saying very critical of the war, generally influencers that you mock and degrade until they agree with you. But The MAGA poll, you can laugh at, but that's exactly who these people claim to speak for. That is why it's important. The idea that if it's not popular, you shouldn't do it.
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Chapter 5: How do historical perspectives influence today's political landscape?
Absolutely. You never want to make statements about someone you're going to potentially prosecute. They can claim malicious prosecution as a defense. We have seen these arguments through the Trump administration, actually. So it's not something that I would advise from a legal standpoint. I do want to take us back to memory lane where this all began. You know, retribution.
I'm sure Jessica will talk to retribution in the Trump administration. That's the predictable points from the left. But the impetus for retribution came far before Trump. It came during Trump won. It came with the Russia hoax that went on and on and on. It came with the impeachment over a perfect phone call, just the willy nilly impeachment of a president, something we had not seen previously.
And it came this headline that that never gets any coverage. It was actually Fox News reporting. Biden, who said, I knew nothing about the Mar-a-Lago raid, nothing, nothing, nothing. Oh, wait. Fox News found otherwise unclassified emails were given to us. We found that he was briefed and actually coordinated the White House counsel's office ahead of that raid.
A DOJ official in the Biden era said we didn't give a bleep about the optics. The bleep was the D word, which I will not say. And an FBI official during the Biden administration, this event was dependent upon the timeline of President Biden's brief decision and coordination between White House counsel and DOJ. So retribution, we saw what it looked like in Trump won. It is here alive and well.
Should Democrats take back the House? You know why you don't see these focus, these stories focused on us? Because there was so much of it. It's like in litigation, you graymail somebody, you throw everything at them. It's like that. How many, where can you stop? You got Comey, you got Brennan, you got this kind of stuff. You got the auto pendants, never stops.
Jessica, you've threatened to kill me several times. That was between us and the green room, Paul. I don't know why you're bringing that out here. Is this, though, an enemy's list? I mean, is this just the kind of thing we want in our politics? Like, I actually love how synced up Kayleigh and I are that she predicted that I would go to the list of things that Donald Trump has tried.
No, but it is important that at the launch of his campaign at CPAC in 2024, he said, I am your retribution. And he has ticked through the list of individuals like Jim Comey and Tish James and John Bolton, who he doesn't like, the law firms, the universities, the networks who don't give him favorable enough coverage. He's
purge the DOJ of career prosecutors who won't do his bidding, having to bring in people like Lindsay Halligan, who then get tossed out. If you worked for Jack Smith, you can't be there either. I mean, the bar is so low on this that I don't even think it's... A worthwhile conversation to say, oh, this is what's going to happen.
They're going to tell you that this is about impeachment and the retribution will come so that they can fundraise and they can say this is why we have to hold on to power. That's going to be standard for the Republicans. They'll do that. He, I mean, arguably needed to win in 2024 so that he could stay out of prison. And it's not just we. concocted these things.
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Chapter 6: What are the reactions to President Trump's military strategy?
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Kamala Harris has added again, the failed vice presidential candidate thinks the only reason why anyone could possibly support President Trump is because they're just too stupid and they fall victim to misinformation. Listen to what she said about Nicki Minaj.
How do you feel about Nicki Minaj's falling victim of misinformation?
Yeah, you know, I think that, again, one of the things about mis- and disinformation is we have to, when we disagree with someone, take that into account in understanding that we may just not be working with the same information and making sure we're on the same page about the fact that two plus two will always equal four.
And speaking of Kamala, remember that the whole brat summer era that she got into and touted? Well, that was when Democrats were trying really hard to cosplay as the cool kids at the table. Fast forward now and Democratic Senator Ruben Gallego telling Politico his party's trying to be the party of fun again.
For too long, we went from being a party that was kind of forward-leaning, futuristic, adventurous. And for a while, we kind of became scolds and mad at everybody, at everything. In some weird way, now that the Republicans have taken over, and they've won at least temporarily some of the culture wars, they're the ones that actually look like the scolds, right?
So we get to be the party of Bad Bunny. That's cool. That's fun.
Greg, are the Democrats cool again? No. How can you be the party of fun when you've spent your years branding fun as immoral? You know, you police the language. You ordered people into lockdown. You poured sand into skateboard parks. You called anybody who drove a gas guzzler a murderer of the planet. You're always crying on camera. You're screaming on camera. You sing.
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Chapter 7: How do political leaders view the future of military interventions?
But you can't do that if your position isn't one of truth, but of one of insanity. And the best evidence for this is in the art of memes. The right can do memes. The left can't because a meme is an unspeakable truth, an obvious truth about an absurd belief or position. Right. So the left serves up these positions. on trans, DEI, open borders, pro-criminal policies. They're like made for memeing.
You see a meme, you get it. How do they meme the right? You know, how do you mock people for thinking men and women are different? How do you mock people for thinking, you know, the country needs a border or that pedophile, like I think pedophiles should be executed and not paroled because they're over 55. I don't think, but go ahead, mock that. Yeah. Well said.
Not that not the party of fun and that they are the party of memes. You know, Martha, the idea that diminishing Nicki Minaj is if she's like peddling misinformation and doesn't understand the facts, I don't find it effective. No, I think it's so stupid.
And honestly, like, you know, when I hear that phrase like misinformation or disinformation, just like it's just like my eyes just start to glaze over because it's like she once again, she said basically two or maybe three sentences. She said absolutely nothing. She is absolutely the queen of not saying anything. And there's really, I think, an easy go to answer for her in this. You know what?
Nicki Minaj is a smart young woman. She's a businesswoman and she can think whatever she wants. We live in a free country. And so if you know, if she wants to support President Trump, she wants to say something about vaccines. She wants to talk about Trump accounts, whatever it is, like get off her back.
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Chapter 8: What role does public opinion play in military decisions?
What are you winning by this? Because the comments that followed this Nicki Minaj comment were all like, you know, don't bring up Nicki Minaj when you couldn't even hold your own in a campaign. You couldn't hold your own campaign together, which I think is a decent point.
Yeah, and Nikki has very well-rounded views about Christians in Nigeria and protecting them and religious freedom and has articulated her belief about certain policies. I think she knows two plus two equals four, Jessica. Her bank account would indicate that she does. Yes, correct. Listen, I'm a big believer in never talk down to people who can vote.
Like, no matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, you've got to go out there and, likeā You just stopped at people. What? Why does it have to be who can vote? No, but Kamala Harris is trying to get votes. I'm saying if you're a politician, you try to appeal to everybody. And yeah, you shouldn't be nasty about anyone interpersonally either.
But I'm saying particularly if you are trying to get 80 million people to support you, you shouldn't be disparaging about anyone. I think the... The way I would have done it is to talk about how President Trump hasn't delivered on the things that maybe Nicki Minaj thought were going to happen instead of being derisive about her choice or disparaging about her intelligence. Paul?
So let's be clear now. The person here who's talking about misinformation and disinformation, right, this is the person who was the border czar who looked at the interviewer and said, we've been to the border. But I haven't been to Europe either. And that was supposed to suffice as an answer.
The best definition I ever heard of a pure dyed-in-the-wool liberal is somebody who fears that somebody someplace is saying something good about America. And that, to me, captures the current left. They are scolds. They are miserable.
And it has been the case for most of my adult life that I was told, you're doing something wrong and you're a non-person or a bad person because you don't agree with everything I'm saying. The current left is based on, the common denominator seems to really be just an unquenchable lake of dissatisfaction. And so when Gallego, he's right.
When he says we have to stop being the scolds, we have to come around to the idea of having some sunshine, being something positive, something for people to look at and say, yeah, I want to go there. That's a heck of a lot better than saying, wait till we're in power, corporations, and we're going to do all of you, because that's just not effective. It's just oppressive.
And people feel that when they go to pull the lever. Yeah, and I gotta say, the reason a lot of people are attracted to Trump, he's fun, he's authentic, he jokes, he laughs, and I mean, the left lost all of his new Gen Z support. So something has shifted. Oh, Jessica, the polls, the polls, the polls.
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