Responding to my Conversation with Kim Zember on Same Sex Attraction
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
My opinion is worth zero. I just want to think with the mind of Christ. I just want to think with the mind of the church. Hi, my name is Father Mike Schmitz, and this is Ascension Presents. So when I was growing up, there was a teaching that Jesus says in the Gospels that always just, it confused me.
What Bible passage introduces the theme of division in families?
Do you think that the Son of Man, that himself, right, has come to bring peace? He says, no, I've not come to bring peace. I've come to bring the sword. He said, from now on, families of five will be divided. two against three and three against two. He said, from now on, a father will be divided against son and mother against daughter and mother-in-law against daughter-in-law. And Jesus says that, no, I've come to bring division. not peace. And again, I remember thinking like, what? I don't see that. I can't imagine that. I can't imagine a family being divided over those who follow Jesus and those who didn't follow Jesus. I imagine, I guess maybe it's my naivete as a kid, just saying, no, we all know that this is true.
How did Father Mike first react to Jesus saying He brings division, not peace?
We all know that Jesus is the Lord. We all know that he founded a church. How could we ever find Jesus as the one who splits us? And yet, You know, you grow up and you realize that that is eminently possible. And in so many of our families, it's happening right now. Jesus is a cause of division. In fact, I remember reading it in my Bible. That was the subtitle of that little section. Jesus, the cause of division. You know, and it's interesting. I've talked to people recently, or people maybe have talked to me online recently, about how Jesus would bring everyone together. I was on a show with a woman named Kim Zember. So Kim has a, as a show that talks about what it is to be same-sex attracted, homosexual, and Catholic, and choosing virtue, choosing chastity, and choosing to pursue the Lord Jesus rather than pursuing a homosexual lifestyle.
And at one point, you know, there was a little clip. She asked me about something about attending a family member's wedding, or attending a wedding, a same-sex wedding, that kind of a thing. And she asked the question, is it possible or permissible for Catholics to attend a same-sex wedding? And so I gave an answer. If you want to know more about the answer, check out another video of mine, or you can listen to what I said with Kim. Here's two things. One is that like, well, that's Father Mike, that's your opinion. I'm like, that's not my opinion. This is like what the church teaches. No one needs to hear my opinion on anything. And so I guess even this, I'm not trying to give my opinion right now. I'm just trying to give a, here's how I would say it kind of situation, right?
So my opinion is worth zero. The thing that actually struck me as maybe heartbreaking was the number of people who reached out to me and messaged me or something angrily or just confused and said, well, Jesus would never want you to not go to one of your kids' wedding just because you disagreed with it. Jesus would never stand in the way of you supporting and celebrating your child. The Jesus I know would simply, he would always embrace everyone. He'd always love them all. He would always bring them all together. He would never say you would not attend your child's wedding. We can disagree. No one has to agree with me at all. But the part that I found heartbreaking was, oh, you're creating a new Jesus.
Like you're creating your own version of Jesus. Because if someone's gonna say like, no, Jesus would never ever want you to not choose your family. Well, this is the same Jesus who made it incredibly clear. He said, if anyone loves father or mother more than me, they're not worthy of me. If anyone loves son or daughter more than me, they're not worthy of me. If anyone loves brother or, you know, go expand, spouse, he says, if you even love your very life more than me, then you're not worthy of me. You cannot be my disciple if you value your parents or your siblings or your children or your spouse or yourself more than me. And that part that was so troubling, and again, wasn't angry about it, it was just so heartbreaking, was that these people were so confidently saying, I know what Jesus is like, and completely ignoring that Jesus himself had said, no, I'm a cause of division.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:14
2
What Bible passage introduces the theme of division in families?
0:14–0:53
3
How did Father Mike first react to Jesus saying He brings division, not peace?
0:53–4:44
4
Why does Father Mike say Jesus can be a cause of division in modern families?
4:44–6:05
5
What happened during Father Mike’s interview with Kim Zember about same-sex weddings?
6:05–6:44