This episode with Zsuzsanna Szelényi explores Hungary's dramatic political transformation following the end of Viktor Orbán's 16-year rule, examining how an entrenched illiberal system was dismantled through democratic means and what this reveals about the resilience of liberal democracy in Europe. The conversation traces the structural factors that converged to break Orbán's grip on power—including economic mismanagement, systemic corruption, generational shift, and Hungary's confrontational stance towards the European Union and Ukraine. We discuss how Orbán methodically constructed an illiberal state by capturing institutions, centralising media, and leveraging constitutional power whilst maintaining democratic appearances, and why the process of unwinding this system presents both extraordinary opportunities and significant dangers for Hungary's new government. The episode also considers how Hungary's experience challenges prevailing assumptions about the inevitability of illiberal forces in Europe, what the transition means for Hungary's relationship with Russia and the European Union, and why the new government's ability to exercise restraint despite holding a constitutional majority will shape democratic governance far beyond Hungary's borders.Zsuzsanna Szelényi is a foreign policy specialist, former member of the Hungarian Parliament, and Programme Director at the CEU Democracy Institute. She was an early member of Fidesz party in the 1990s and later returned to Hungarian politics from 2012 to 2018 as part of the opposition. She is the author of Tainted Democracy, which examines Hungary's transformation over three decades and the erosion of democratic norms under Orbán's rule.The International Risk Podcast brings you conversations with global experts, frontline practitioners, and senior decision-makers who are shaping how we understand and respond to international risk. From geopolitical instability and organised crime to cybersecurity threats and hybrid warfare, each episode explores the forces transforming our world and what smart leaders must do to navigate them. Whether you’re a board member, policymaker, or risk professional, The International Risk Podcast delivers actionable insights, sharp analysis, and real-world stories that matter.Dominic Bowen is the host of The International Risk Podcast and Europe’s leading expert on international risk and crisis management. As Head of Strategic Advisory and Partner at one of Europe’s leading risk management consulting firms, Dominic advises CEOs, boards, and senior executives across the continent on how to prepare for uncertainty and act with intent. He has spent decades working in war zones, advising multinational companies, and supporting Europe’s business leaders. Dominic is the go-to business advisor for leaders navigating risk, crisis, and strategy; trusted for his clarity, calmness under pressure, and ability to turn volatility into competitive advantage. Dominic equips today’s business leaders with the insight and confidence to lead through disruption and deliver sustained strategic advantage.Subscribe for all our updates!Tell us what you liked!

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