Stop Overthinking Important Decisions ft. Hunter Hayes
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How did Hunter Hayes decide to outgrow old patterns and change his team?
The person who's trying to figure out right now whether or not they need to outgrow the version of themselves they are right now, what would you say to that person?
You always have the opportunity to outgrow the person that you are now. To take the opportunity?
Yeah, take the opportunity.
Hunter, what if I have... If you're going to play the game of what if, if you're going to list all the things that could go wrong, then go ahead and list all the things that can go right.
The practical takeaways that I love to talk about is you said, hey, I'm gonna make some decisions for me right here. Rather than this committee thing, I'm gonna do something independent. Rather than feeling like life is happening to me, I'm gonna make some course corrections here. And there had to be some type, some point in your life where you say, I need others at my table. So I love the metaphor. and this is something I apply for me, of filling the seats at my table. Everybody in life has a table. And I start with empty chairs. And really, it could be your parents, your grandparents, whoever your guardians are, those are the people who are really the only ones at your table. And as you get older, you go to a different table, and then you kind of have to fill them again in kind of your 20s, and then you fill them again in your 30s.
And I find... And who are the people, because I'm very selective with who's mentally at my table. And I feel like you have found this full circle moment or clarity of who are the people you want at your table.
That's, well, going back to the chapter of going away. Yeah. That was that. And God in the universe kind of did it for me. There were a lot of things that needed to happen. There were a lot of changes that needed to happen. Very scary, like I'm gonna leave an entire institution behind. And like, as an artist, there's so many pieces. I've heard a few of the people that I look up to describe it as like, you're the hub. And there's so many pieces that keep the wheel together. And at the time, I needed to let go of a lot of things and I wasn't ready to let go of any of those things. And so certain things just started kind of falling off naturally, you know?
Yeah, for you.
Yeah, I remember having a conversation with my, I think my agent at the time. And I was like, you know, spending more time in California and I was kind of having a hard time telling him like, I think I'm going to go there and be there. Because what I was trying to say was, does that scare you? And of course it didn't. But he was like, dude, you need to. He's like, you should. He's like, I mean, it'd be great to get some new energy. And he was excited about the idea. And I think that kind of like let me sit in a little bit more. And then everyone else, you know, I talked to another member of my team I was like, trying to like, you know, apologize for like this shift that I wanted to make. And he was like, well, it's funny because I've noticed in life you tend to find what you're looking for.
And he's like, you were clearly looking for new energy and change and all those things. So... I say that to say yes, but also like touching back on something else. I mean, the like, yes, picking the people at your table, this was my chance. I think there was one big shift that happened and I made one phone call to somebody in this room and I was like, okay. Not me. Here's what I'm doing. I was like, I have played by everyone else's rules. Because I think another downfall, if I can touch back on that. Yeah, please. we can bullet point all these things so that people can follow along to the way my brain works. But another downfall is I was surrounded by people who have been doing this for longer than I have.
And my tendency is to assume everyone knows more than me. And in a lot of ways, yes, absolutely. For the rest of my life, everyone will know more than me. I have so much to learn from everybody. And I am constantly learning how to hold the truth of, yeah, but so do I. And like the most important thing I think that I realized in like 2018, 19 was, you know, I was having a hard time talking the label into a certain song or this, that, whatever.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
How did Hunter Hayes decide to outgrow old patterns and change his team?
0:00–12:31
2
When did Hunter realize he needed to trust his instincts over industry advice?
12:31–29:38
3
How does Hunter define and recognize 'flow' in music and life?
29:38–43:35
4
What mental-health practices helped Hunter process fear and uncertainty?
43:35–54:05