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Chapter 1: Who is Oz Pearlman?
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Oh, yep.
Surreal. Dude, you've only been here for 20 minutes. You already freaked me out. Just freaked out. And I'm freaked out for the fact that you're the first guy that's ever come here that ran a marathon before you got here. You know, wanted to clear my mind.
It's a big day. How long did it take you to run it? You got to check online. I don't know. I think it was like three hours, 25 minutes, 3.30, something like that. Wow, that's a good time for a casual. Went kind of southeast, thunderstorming in Austin, Texas, and then looped around, went back, got some work done. I always do phone calls while I'm running.
How often do you run? You said you ran 27 miles this morning?
I think so. I don't know. I just turned around. I got it done. I need to get ready for this shower, but yeah. Is that a normal thing for you to do? Very normal.
Wow.
Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's a lot of distance, man. You know, there was like a sweet spot pre having as many kids and more family constraints and work. And now life is busy. But where I do 20 miles every day. That's crazy. What's the longest you've run? 153 miles. Wow. How long did it take you to do that? 33 hours. Spartathlon in Greece. Epic. It's in Greece? Oh, it's crazy, man.
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Chapter 2: What is it like to run ultra marathons?
And I was like, yo, man, this guy needs to chill out right now because I've already quit in my mind. But I channeled that guy when I came back the next year. And it was that it was I'm going to the hospital and you're not putting IV. I'm going to finish this race. And I came back the next year mentally like there's no way I'm not finishing. Did you do anything different in preparation?
Listen, that game, it's all mental. Anyone who tells you otherwise, physical's meaningless at that point. Physical's meaningless in most points, to be honest. There were guys who I saw when I quit, it was, you know, 2 a.m., who were slower than me. They were older than me. Every objective measure, I should have beat them, but they mentally finished.
The next morning, I got a night's sleep, woke up, watched them, ate lunch, and saw them finish. I was like, I was crying. I couldn't believe the emotions of this guy finished, who was two hours behind me when I quit. And I learned that day it's mental, 100%. The mindset is when you get there, you know if you're finishing at the start. So did it haunt you that you didn't finish?
Oh, haunted me every day.
Isn't that crazy?
Haunted. Like what you did was really hard, but you didn't. No, that's bullshit hard. I should have finished. How far did you get? I got halfway. So that's pretty hard. No. 75 miles? I quit when it was convenient because I got to an aid station and I'm like, oh, I got 30 minutes. I already decided in my mind I was quitting. But hold on.
I got to pause because I walked in here and I told you, before we start, I have something for you. Right. People always say, can I read minds? I can't read minds. I read people. Okay. This envelope, if they can't see it and they're listening, your logo sealed. Right. This is your future. My future? This is your future. I'm not psychic. I'm not supernatural.
But I assure you, I want you to hold this from now until the end of the episode. Okay. That's when we open it. I don't even know if I want to know my future. No, no. This is all good stuff. Live to 120. Joe's going to be a two-term president. Shut the fuck up. That's not good. I don't want that job. You take it before we even start. Okay. And at the end, we open it. So nobody skips this episode.
You buckle up for the ending.
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Chapter 3: How does mentalism work?
Yeah, but he beat you.
He did beat me. True. First loser. That's a weird flex. Yeah.
That's a weird flex.
So you were a stockbroker? I wasn't technically a stockbroker. I worked on Wall Street, but I did tech. What did you do on Wall Street? So I went to school for electrical engineering and then worked like, I don't know, the tech guys who supported the iBankers.
Okay.
And then how did you get involved in this mentalist thing? This mentalist thing, right? What a weird thing. So when I was a teenager, I started doing magic tricks. So I saw a guy on a cruise ship and I'd never seen really a magician. I wasn't into it, didn't know about it, didn't have a kid's party magician when I was a kid. And I was obsessed. Literally, I was on a cruise.
I followed this guy around the cruise ship. It was a little bit stalker-esque. And there's not that many places to hide if you're a grown man. So I was finding this guy everywhere to just see more tricks. And I got back home and I bought every book I could at Borders. I went to the library. I was obsessive. I'm kind of those types of people who...
I don't do anything 80%, 90% given the running today. It's like 120%. Wow. And that was the thing for about, I don't know, 20 years. It was more I was doing magic. I was always doing magic on the side. I paid for college doing magic. Really? Run a couple of businesses. Yeah. What did you do? Like do shows? So I graduated high school when I was 16. I like skipped a grade, all this.
And then my folks got divorced. Long story. Yeah. They moved back to Israel. I was born in Israel. So separately moved back to Israel. So I was a bit of a, I guess, I don't know, an adult. Like I had nobody supporting me. So when I went to college, I turned 17. I had to pay all the bills.
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Chapter 4: What are the challenges of being a mentalist?
No, I don't believe so. I've just been a huge fan of his forever. I don't think something popped up that made me think about him.
I'm just curious. Okay. No trick. I'm just curious why that happened. Yeah. Where do we go from here? Where are you going with this? I don't know where I'm going. You don't know? I do.
Okay.
But I'm not telling you yet.
Oh, okay.
No, Joe's flummoxed.
He's like, where do we go?
No, I mean, like, I don't know why you asked me the question if you don't have a resolution.
Oh, I'm not guessing it. I wanted to see where you thought of why it came to your mind. There'll be a reason. I don't want to explain it yet, but you'll see.
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Chapter 5: How does Oz prepare for his performances?
Sometimes on airplanes, but I sleep on planes. But that's when it hits me. Like, where are your bursts? You must have, like, where are you getting material? Mostly late at night on the right.
Yeah, but sometimes driving. Driving? You don't do phone calls or anything? I mean, phone calls, I'm usually concentrated on talking to people. They're not the times where ideas come to me. A lot of times it's driving with no music on. Wow, yeah, I'm never in the car by myself, ever. Oh, really? Family. Five kids. Oh, wow. Yeah, with driving to work, usually that's when it comes to me.
Yeah, and I'm in New York City. Or the sauna. Sauna's good because you can't be on electronics.
Right, yeah.
Yeah, the phones are a killer. The phone's like you zap any creativity or boredom. You need boredom.
Yeah, you do need boredom. Yeah, you need boredom for ideas to come to you for sure.
Yep.
Yeah, that's the problem essentially with social media. It's like it's a boredom. You are still bored, but you are occupied. Right.
You don't get to sit with it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think is key because that's when they kind of fire off. Yep. And I think that's, you know, not to get into it, but like so many kids now have no way to deal with boredom. Yep. It's like panic. I got to get my phone. I got to, you know, that whole feeling of I wish there was a way to do that.
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Chapter 6: What life lessons has Oz learned from running?
Hmm.
Yeah, I think that's a very strong statement. I think one of the things that you just said there, I've said a bunch of times, is that if you can work out really hard and push your body and push your mind, it makes other forms of adversity that you face during the day much easier. And I think that's one of the reasons why so many people are so filled with anxiety.
It seems like that's such a simple solution that most people don't want to accept it. Like, oh, there's more to that. There's a mental imbalance. There's a this, there's that, like... Perhaps. But everybody that I know that does what I'm talking about, everybody I know that pushes themselves very hard in the gym or running or doing yoga or whatever, they're the most happy and the most relaxed.
And they're able to face adversity throughout the day much easier than people that don't take care of their body, that don't eat well, that don't exercise and don't experience any voluntary physical discomfort. Couldn't agree more. I think it's mandatory, you know, and it doesn't have to be what I do or it doesn't have to be what you do. It's go find, do pickleball, okay?
Go play some other sport, tennis. Do something that's fun. Jiu-jitsu is a great one.
Yeah.
It's fun to do and then you learn how to do something while you're working out. Muay Thai is another one like that. You know, there's a lot of stuff that you can do that's fun, that's exercise, but man, you should exercise. Yeah.
You've got to move your body.
You've got to move your body.
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Chapter 7: How does Oz use his skills in everyday life?
Right. And so does she. But my name is Joe. It's a boring ass stupid name. It doesn't bother me at all that I have the same name as a billion people. So for me, names don't mean anything. And it meant something for her. So I said, you decide.
So watch this. Do you know what the most common names are right now? I know this recently. I'm two weeks old. But the most common names right now are not the same as when you were naming your daughters, is my guess, if they're teenagers. Do you know what the most common name right now in America? I think it's six years running. Mom. No, no, for girls. For girls.
What is it? No.
Olivia. Check it, Jamie. Can you look up top 10? That's a beautiful name. Look up. It just came out. Social Security. I know this because, like I said, we were trying to figure out names. Am I right? It should be Olivia's number one. I don't know. Google top 10.
Who do you think of when you think of Olivia?
I thought initially of Olivia Wilde. Who's Olivia Wilde? Movie star? Do you know who she is?
Oh, that lady. Yeah. Oh, she's great. Yeah. I thought of Olivia Newton-John.
Yeah, that's second. That would have been second.
Physical, physical.
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Chapter 8: What is Oz's perspective on success and gratitude?
Yeah, yeah, the real, and he hadn't thought of this person in months. And it doesn't in a vowel. Yeah, it does, I know. I saw it, and you switched to one. And I wrote this down. Joe, you see it, right? I can't change it. No trick here, no BS. What's her name, this first crush? Saw her on TV.
Her real name is Christine.
Christine is what I wrote down. Christine is what I wrote down.
Her fake name's Melody from Hey Dude.
You don't have to tell me, I know.
I understand. Christine Taylor.
How did you know? Wait, wait, hold on. Right now, right now. I want to try this. Here's what I want to try. Joe, how many people?
What the fuck just happened?
Wait, where did I put this? Are you an alien? Hold on. Do you work for the CIA? I got to take a leak like crazy, too. You do? Where's the bag? Dude, I drank like two Gators before I got in here for the run. That was a mistake. What bag? There's a bag. Oh, I didn't bring it. You didn't bring it? Why don't you go pee and get your bag? No, no, I've got it. I've got it. I've got it. Look.
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