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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2350 - Ryan Callaghan

16 Jul 2025

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Ryan “Cal” Callaghan is MeatEater’s Director of Conservation, a national board member of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers, and the host of the “Cal’s Week in Review” podcast.www.themeateater.com/people/ryan-callaghan Get anything delivered on Uber Eats. https://UberEats.com This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0.031 - 25.768 Ryan Callaghan

We brought you in here, hopefully we were going to kill that public land sale deal from the big beautiful bill, and we did it, before we even got you in here.

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26.238 - 50.123 Joe Rogan

Well, I mean, we're not out of the woods yet, is the reality, yeah. I mean, I was hoping that you and I were going to team up and tee off on these sons of bitches and watch it die together. I think it's dead. It is dead. It is dead. But we're a long way from this stuff being dead ever. Dead ever.

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50.383 - 65.443 Ryan Callaghan

Yeah, right. Exactly. It's got to be dead forever. That's not it's not theirs to sell. It's very unique to the United States. It's an amazing thing that we have. And I don't think people in other countries understand this. I don't think people in America even understand how unique it is.

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66.004 - 83.481 Ryan Callaghan

Like our public lands, what they did when they set that up, not just national parks, but all the public lands, we created this insane resource, this beautiful resource where we can go into the mountains, into the woods and enjoy nature. And it's ours. It's all of ours.

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83.461 - 108.068 Joe Rogan

And I get, I mean, the amount of response from listeners that live outside the country and to a person, they're like, are you guys really going to screw this up? They're like, how do people not know? How do people not appreciate what you guys have? Don't turn into this country or this country or this country. Basically, any other country outside of Canada and the U.S.,

108.655 - 132.699 Ryan Callaghan

I think the real issue is the people in America that don't experience it and don't go there and don't know how insanely unique this situation is. Like, I don't know how to say Chamath's last name. Palihaptia. Is that how you say it? Even he was tweeting, this is a great deal. Sell the land and we'll make some money. What the fuck are you talking about, man? You don't understand.

133.14 - 138.866 Ryan Callaghan

This was an incredible gift that they gave us when they set America up this way.

138.906 - 173.695 Joe Rogan

Oh, yeah. It's not that they need to go out and experience. They can also... Understand just where food comes from right how we get cold water and fresh water in our taps That public resource is working on our behalf 24 7 365 Always has been and always will be as long as we don't screw it up, right? So it's not just the recreational part of it. It is

173.675 - 195.987 Joe Rogan

I mean, it is no different than if you want to think of it in these terms than some, you know, one arm jacked pumping oil out of the ground. Like it is constantly working on our behalf. And it it being public land needs to be intact, an intact ecosystem to do its job. And there's less and less of it every year.

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