517. Beyond Mere Survival | Tony Robbins

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What is the main topic of this episode?

Jordan Peterson 0:00
The first thing to understand is that people see the world through their aim. Anyone can deal with the difficult today if they have a compelling tomorrow. If you leave your zone of comfort, if you move away from your father's tent, if you move away from what's familiar to you, and you do that voluntarily, and you make the sacrifices necessary as a consequence, this is what will happen.

How can a compelling future help in overcoming challenges?

Tony Robbins 0:21
I look at it this way. We don't experience life. We experience the life we focus on. Much of what we think we're doing ourselves is being shifted by the outside world. So I say prime yourself.
Tony Robbins 0:43
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Jordan Peterson 0:57
Hello, everybody. I had the opportunity today to sit down with Tony Robbins and in the remarkable basement of his house as well. And so that's the setting. And Tony and I have got to know each other over the last couple of years and have had a number of discussions. And partly what we've been trying to puzzle out is are, what would you say, the similarities between our parallel endeavors? I mean, Tony's, I suspect he's probably the most popular and impactful speaker, personal development speaker the world's ever seen. Oh no, I'm very fascinated by what he does and I've seen his events and I've reviewed some of the scientific literature pertaining to his achievements. That's actually what we started our conversation with, because Tony's program has been subject to scientific scrutiny, and it seems to have remarkable antidepressant properties. And so I'm very interested, like Tony is, in
Jordan Peterson 2:02
how people chart their life course and how they establish their aim and how they determine their strategies and how they describe their conditions for fulfillment and what fulfillment is and how it can be sustained and how it can be self-improving and how it can be brought to other people. And so that's really what we spent our time discussing. I wanted to hear his thoughts on the matter and how he construed and conceptualized his approach, and also what makes him such a compelling public speaker, how he prepares for that, how he relates to the audience, how he can sustain this energy for really remarkable periods of time, because I found myself quite exhausted generally after about three hours of full-out
Jordan Peterson 2:47
Public speaking, let's say, because that's a performance and you've got to be all in if you're going to do it right. But Tony does that for like 12 hours a day for four days in a row, many, many times a month. And so I was curious about, well, his technique and how that was similar to mine and how it differed. And so... Well, we talked about all that, and I suppose what's the core of it all? Well, I think the core of it, at least in part, is something akin to the old Nietzschean dictum that if you have a why, you can bear any how. And so Tony helps people discover the why, well, and the how for that matter. And that is definitely akin to what I'm attempting to do when I'm lecturing and writing.

What clinical evidence supports Tony Robbins' methods?

Jordan Peterson 3:33
And so, well, our discussion helped clarify that and flesh it out and make it more concrete and make it more accessible to people. And so you're welcome to partake in that. And that's what's on the menu for today. So, Mr. Robbins, I'm going to start by reading something. Okay. Because you did something that is very rare. You submitted your process, your life improvement process, your public life improvement process to a clinical trial. So I'm going to read some pieces from the abstract of the paper that was published in consequence of that inquiry. Okay. So the paper is called Effects of an Immersive Psychosocial Training Program on Depression and Well-Being, a Randomized Clinical Trial. The first thing I would say is clinical trials are extremely difficult to do. I've always been highly impressed by any scientist, physician, psychiatrist, psychologist who will do a clinical trial because there are... innumerable impediments. It's hard to get subjects. It's hard to specify the control group. It's hard to get ethical clearance. It takes forever. People drop out.
Jordan Peterson 4:46
It's very difficult to publish. It's generally a very thankless endeavor. And you did it along with the authors of this paper. And the results are quite stunning. I'll read a bit from the abstract.

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