527. Gay Marriage, Surrogacy, Divorce & Hookup Culture | Katy Faust
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This is a worldview that does not discriminate between single, married, gay, straight, fertile and infertile. This is a world where if you're going to put children first, all adults must conform to those fundamental rights. Let's wrestle that out. That means that it is going to run up against all of our self-interest at some point.
I have a friend, and he was interested in children, but his partner was interested in children, and so they had children with surrogacy.
There's one demographic in this country that's truly in the closet. It's kids with same-sex parents who desperately miss their mother or father.
Do you know of any data that isn't biased pertaining to that?
Forcing children to sacrifice something so adults can have what they want. Nobody has a right to a child. Children have a right to their mother and father.
And that lands us back into the, well, is it better that the child exists or not, argument.
It all comes down to the same thing. And the question is, what does it mean to be human? I'm going to scrap this out with you.
Hello, everybody. I had the opportunity today and sit down and talk to Katie Faust. Katie is an author. She wrote Them Before Us, published in 2021, Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City, 2023, and Pro-Child Politics Online. Katie is the founder and president of an organization called Them Before Us. And she advocates on behalf of the intrinsic and inalienable rights of the child. Her contention, which we discussed at length in the YouTube conversation, is that family policy, educational policy, economic policy, policy surrounding marriage should prioritize the natural rights of children, partly because children have inalienable natural rights, partly because they're voiceless and need to be defended, and partly because it seems self-evident that nothing that
is harmful to children can be good for adults or for society. And so if you optimize your social policies in relationship to the wellbeing of children, you move a long ways towards optimizing your social policies for the flourishing of everyone. And so we fought that through, I would say. Katie is not an admirer of surrogacy, for example, really regardless of the reasons. And so I pushed back on that and We hashed that through and you can evaluate the consequences of that for yourself. We talked about the fact that not all families are created equal and that love does not define the family. You could think of it as a necessary but insufficient precondition for what actually constitutes a family.
And Katie comes down pretty hard on both the religious and the biological side, arguing that And I think rightly so that there isn't an ideal that can replace long-term, committed, monogamous, child-centered, heterosexual marriages as primarily as the foundation for successful marriage. and joyful, stable rearing of children. And if you accept the doctrine that what's good for children is good for adults and for the state, then institutions that focus on the wellbeing, the flourishing of children, the prioritization of children, those institutions have to be foundational and prioritized. And that's certainly one of the doctrines of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship, which is this organization.
Katie sits on its advisory board. And one of our fundamental principles is that healthy psyches and healthy societies are made possible by the establishment of healthy child-centered marriages. So you'll see how we argued and how we laid out the facts and the opinions Katie's very articulate and well informed and she's a tough contender and so if you're interested in how you navigate your marriage and your children and how you might orient yourself in the world in relationship to your attitudes towards such things then this is the podcast for you So, Katie, let's talk about kids. Start by telling everybody what you do and why.
Yeah, my name is Katie Faust. I'm the founder and president of the children's rights nonprofit Them Before Us. The idea is we put them, the children, before us, the adults, in all matters of marriage and family. So what I do is I trigger people. That is what I do.
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