The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
527. Gay Marriage, Surrogacy, Divorce & Hookup Culture | Katy Faust
06 Mar 2025
Full Episode
This is a worldview that does not discriminate between single, married, gay, straight, fertile and infertile. This is a world where if you're going to put children first, all adults must conform to those fundamental rights. Let's wrestle that out. That means that it is going to run up against all of our self-interest at some point.
I have a friend, and he was interested in children, but his partner was interested in children, and so they had children with surrogacy.
There's one demographic in this country that's truly in the closet. It's kids with same-sex parents who desperately miss their mother or father.
Do you know of any data that isn't biased pertaining to that?
Forcing children to sacrifice something so adults can have what they want. Nobody has a right to a child. Children have a right to their mother and father.
And that lands us back into the, well, is it better that the child exists or not, argument.
It all comes down to the same thing. And the question is, what does it mean to be human? I'm going to scrap this out with you.
Hello, everybody. I had the opportunity today and sit down and talk to Katie Faust. Katie is an author. She wrote Them Before Us, published in 2021, Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City, 2023, and Pro-Child Politics Online. Katie is the founder and president of an organization called Them Before Us. And she advocates on behalf of the intrinsic and inalienable rights of the child.
Her contention, which we discussed at length in the YouTube conversation, is that family policy, educational policy, economic policy, policy surrounding marriage should prioritize the natural rights of children, partly because children have inalienable natural rights, partly because they're voiceless and need to be defended, and partly because it seems self-evident that nothing that
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