563. “Something Non-Human Has Been Here A Long Time” | Dr. Garry Nolan
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What sparked Dr. Garry Nolan’s interest in unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP)?
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I'm a professor in the department of pathology at Stanford.
It's pretty obvious that you have a a multitude of abilities and a stellar track record. You started to become interested in unidentified aerial phenomena.
Somebody representing the CIA and an aerospace company showing up at my office at Stanford showed me their credentials and said we need your help looking at patients who've had harm done to them. And then a small subset of them said that they'd been in proximity to things that you would call a UFO. I thought it was a joke at the beginning.
Let us know if you would what the hell you think is going on. That there's something non human here, and it's been here for a long time. Well, I imagine it's put a bit of a bump into your life. I mean maybe one that's mostly interesting, but still to call it strange is to barely scrape
the surface. If something is here, it's likely been here longer than humans have even been civilized.
Dr. Gary Nolan is an immunologist, academic, inventor, and biotech entrepreneur, serial biotech entrepreneur. He's a professor at Stanford University School of Medicine, and somewhat surprisingly, A ufologist. We talked about his career, his research interests, the rise of AI, and his interest in unidentified aerial phenomena. So doctor Nolan, Gary, when before we get to the heart of the matter with regards to your interest in unidentified aerial phenomena more commonly known as UFOs. Let's talk a little bit about you so that we can situate you in the minds of our readers. So you have a remarkable research um background and A technology background k clue us in a bit and tell us who you are.
So uh I'm a professor in the Department of Pathology. I hold the Ratchford and Carlotta A. Harris Endowed Professorship. Uh and the major focus of my lab's research, frankly, over the last 30 years since I've been at Stanford, has been uh on the immune system and uh creating technologies that allow us to collect More and more data about the immune cells and or cancer cells that we're interested in. And so that's led me from the development of uh retroviral techniques for gene delivery and gene therapy. So all the retroviruses and lentiviruses that are used in the world today for gene therapy were developed based on a technique that I came up with called the two nine three T cell technique. Uh and that's it, frankly, that's old technology, uh to me, but it still generates a nice uh royalty stream.
So um, and then uh from there, it's about measuring more and more what we call parameters per cell, which are events that relate, we think, to the biology of the cells. And so uh we've created and spun out, I don't know, probably at least half a dozen companies on that side of things alone. Um lately, we've been moving into artificial intelligence. We've started and spun out two companies there. There and now I'm actually moving into atomic imaging. uh because I sort of feel like that's the next uh level down of information that I need to get at to understand gene function. So we're I've raised the money to create a whole new kind of instrument that can measure things at the atomic level.
Hm, tell me about that a little bit. What what I mean, that's Electron microscope territory? You have a new technology that you're that m I know that's an old technology now.
It it's a fusion of two technologies, something called a pro atomic probe tomography and field ion microscopy. And uh it's a way to bring the two together uh uh because previously they couldn't sort of exist in the same machine. So by bringing them together, we can go another order of magnitude lower. We can get down to what's called sub angstrom, like the bond length between two atoms is in the subangstrum.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What sparked Dr. Garry Nolan’s interest in unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP)?
0:00–13:16
2
How did Dr. Nolan’s career in immunology and biotech lead to his work on atomic‑level imaging?
13:16–24:38
3
What is the “pro‑atomic probe tomography” technology and why does it matter for biology?
24:38–36:50
4
How did Dr. Nolan become involved with the CIA’s investigation of anomalous health effects (Havana syndrome)?
36:50–49:21
5
What did the analysis of alleged UFO material (silicon, magnesium ratios) reveal?
49:21–1:01:40
6
Why did Dr. Nolan help create the SOL Foundation and the Skywatcher program?
1:01:40–1:12:43
7
How does Dr. Nolan use large language models and intuition to generate scientific hypotheses?
1:12:43–1:24:28
8
What provisional conclusion does Dr. Nolan draw about non‑human presence on Earth?
1:24:28–1:31:19