The Jordan Harbinger Show
1120: Scott Payne | How the FBI Turned Me Into the Perfect Outlaw
25 Feb 2025
FBI veteran Scott Payne takes us into the world of undercover ops: infiltrating biker gangs, near-death moments, and the psychological toll of betrayal. What We Discuss with Scott Payne: Scott Payne worked undercover for the FBI infiltrating The Outlaws motorcycle gang, forming relationships with dangerous criminals over an 18-month period to gather evidence on crimes including drug trafficking, stolen vehicles, and potential connections to murder. Scott's undercover work involved serious personal danger, including a harrowing experience where he was strip-searched in the basement of the gang's clubhouse while wearing recording devices that could have gotten him killed if discovered. The psychological toll of undercover work is significant — Scott describes forming genuine friendships with targets that he ultimately had to betray, as well as physical and mental exhaustion that led to a breakdown during the operation. The FBI has developed safeguards for undercover agents' mental health, including psychological assessments and contact agents who provide support and maintain the agent's connection to their real identity during long undercover operations. Success in undercover work depends on authenticity and adaptability. Rather than completely fabricating a persona, Payne maintained aspects of his true self while adjusting to his environment, allowing him to build believable relationships and respond naturally in high-pressure situations. This approach — staying true to your core self while adapting to challenging circumstances — can be applied in many professional and personal situations requiring resilience. And much more... Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1120 And if you're still game to support us, please leave a review here — even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally! This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors: jordanharbinger.com/deals Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship development mini course — at jordanharbinger.com/course! Subscribe to our once-a-week Wee Bit Wiser newsletter today and start filling your Wednesdays with wisdom! Do you even Reddit, bro? Join us at r/JordanHarbinger!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Really interesting, of course, as these guys always, always are. Going undercover, close calls, how he may have been born for this and how he made it through the FBI Academy despite his unusual appearance and history. He's a really smart, really sharp undercover agent. This book was fascinating. I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation as well.
Here we go with Scott Payne, which, by the way, definitely sounds like a fake name that an undercover agent would actually use. I read the book, I really enjoyed it, but then I was like, oh, what does this guy look like? Did you look like the world's hairiest skinhead when you joined the FBI or do you pick up like the Beth Cook biker chic thing after you get an assignment?
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