Gary Murphy On The Life And Times Of Brian Cowen
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Why is Brian Cowen often called Ireland’s worst Taoiseach?
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It's over 15 years now since Brian Cohn stepped down as Taoiseach. There were a couple of books published about him around the time that he became Taoiseach. And then he is featured in a number of books about the circumstances of the crash and when he was Taoiseach, 2008 to 2011, the key period and all of that. But now finally, we have a dedicated biography of Brian Cohn. It's been written by Professor Gary Murphy from DCU. Gary is a regular contributor to The Last Word and we're delighted to have him back. Gary, thank you
for being with
us. Thank you, Matt. Gary, there's no official rankings as such, but I think by popular perception, Brian Coleman would be regarded as Ireland's worst ever Taoiseach. Would you have gone into writing the book with that perception?
Perhaps my DCU colleague, Owen O'Malley, a few years ago in the Sunday Independent did a ranking, something I've always avoided, and put Brian Cohen last. Now, he put Charlie Hockey second, and so for an O'Malley, like, you know, one would have to concede that he does things dispassionately. But, yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any doubt about it, but for the vast majority, maybe all the people who are listening to us today, Matt, would consider Brian Cohen the worst Taoiseach because... When you look at his record, he's in power only a very short time, May of 2008 to January 2010, February technically of the election. 2011. 2011 this season, yes, thanks. And I remember being in the studio quite a lot with you during the sort of calamity and the collapse of that government.
And there are a few achievements one can point to, to be perfectly frank about it. Brian Cowan is very proud of the fact that he put in place the measures. Now, it is austerity, but he put in place the measures that ultimately got rid of the Troika under the Enda Kenny government but I think most people would accept that decisions his government made and he made himself both as Minister of Finance in the 2004-2007 period with the Fianna Fáil PD government and then as Taoiseach contributed to that situation very strongly so he is I think for many the sort of the chief culprit the the the physical manifestation of the country losing its sovereignty, of the crash. And that fascinated me also, wanting to do a book about a person who is considered by many a failure.
One of the charges levelled against him by Eamon Gilmore was of economic treason, that what he did in relation to the bank guarantee and then bringing the Troika in was so grave that this amounted to economic treason. That rankles with him, doesn't it?
How did Brian Cowen’s early political rise shape his later decisions?
That rankles with him very, very deeply. I mean, Brian Cohen was always considered a sort of a Fianna Fáil loyalist, but he is of the view that he put the country first in trying to mitigate the effects of the crash. The Eamon Gilmore treason charge, made twice in the Dáil and never retracted to this day, is one that he treats with, I think, a certain respect. scorn, contempt perhaps, and would repudiate and reject it completely. And I tend to agree with him. I don't tend to think that he was a man who set out to protect an elite. He's very proud of the fact that normal people all across Offaly and perhaps all across the country voted for him and for Fianna Fáil. 1997, 2002, 2007. He doesn't consider himself part of a gilded elite by any means, although he did associate in such company.
He played golf with Sean Fitzpatrick, Gary McGann, Fintan Drury, and I think that was the... All
directors of
Anglo-Irish
Bank. One of the key... And
just two months before he signed off on the infamous bank guarantee scheme of which he is the most important and instrumental figure because he is the one who makes the decision on the night. I'm critical of him in the book, not for making that decision per se, but for leaving the... a situation develop as badly as it did and for taking a decision at about what I consider to be ten past three at night in the morning, a time no rational decision and certainly one of such enormous consequences.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
Why is Brian Cowen often called Ireland’s worst Taoiseach?
0:00–2:47
2
How did Brian Cowen’s early political rise shape his later decisions?
2:47–5:20
3
What was the impact of the 2008‑2011 bank guarantee decision?
5:20–8:21
4
Why does Gary Murphy criticize Cowen’s handling of the Troika bailout?
8:21–10:17
5
How did Cowen’s personal habits (e.g., drinking) affect his leadership?
10:17–12:49
6
What insights did Murphy gain from his extensive interviews with Cowen?
12:49–15:13
7
How has Cowen’s post‑political life (stroke, consultancy, boards) been portrayed?
15:13–16:24
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