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Chapter 1: Who is the special guest on this episode?
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Lore Lodge podcast, where we have a very special guest tonight, one of our favorite recurring guests on the show, Nick from The Missing Enigma. Nick, you want to say hi? Hi, thank you for having me. Always good to be here. All right.
Chapter 2: What recent video brought attention to Missing411?
I don't know if you saw, I don't know if you saw either, Joe Scott, big channel, two and a half or so million subs, he did a video on Missing411 today, and he brought us up. No way. And I made a point to shout you out in the comments. No way. Well, thank you, man.
I appreciate that.
I was like, no, no, spread the love. Spread this. There's more. There's a lot of good channels. But, yeah, so, I mean, that's obviously what we talk about most of the time, and I thought that would be a fun – I was like, ah, this is the universe giving a sign. We're getting another person talking about this who's nice and big.
And he was – one of the other reasons I wanted to bring it up, again, big channel. His conclusion on this was kind of what we typically run into, which is – Alright, this is a little weird, but... There are explanations.
Yeah, my experience is like most of them don't really pan out, but some are genuinely strange.
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Chapter 3: What are the strange cases discussed in the episode?
Exactly. And I thought that would be the best way to go with this one, with this episode, because, you know, this fall we went down to the Appalachians and we had a time. We looked into the Jordan Grider case, as you did, and I'm very interested to hear your thoughts on it in a more conversational format. But some of these cases... really don't make sense. And it's, those are the fun ones.
I mean, not fun, obviously. And like, it's horrible, terrible tragedy, but as an investigator years later, it's, it's kind of fun to, you know, have an actual challenge, try and figure out what's going on instead of, I don't know if you, how much you've looked into the great Smokies cases, but there's like four or five where it's just not Mr. Mysterious at all.
It's like somebody, somebody is up at the top of Clingman's dome. And he's like, I'm going to, I'm going to race you guys to the parking lot. And then he disappears. Yeah.
Yeah, I just did some – I just finished a video recently on Trini Gibson. Oh, yeah. Well, if you want any footage. Oh, yeah.
If you want any footage. Yeah, I intentionally got some extra B-roll, so if you want to use it. Did you already put it up?
No, it's not up yet. It's just on Patreon, but it's not public.
Dude, let us know. We have plenty of B-roll if you want some. Really, for anything in the Appalachians, we have B-roll for you.
I was thinking, next time we do a cluster, I should go out ahead of time and get some B-roll just of certain areas, considering it would have been useful in the primary video to have that. But, you know, it's fine.
Well, since you bring up Trenny, though, I'm curious. What were your thoughts?
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Chapter 4: What happened to Trenny Gibson in the Great Smoky Mountains?
Oh, she's not in there. It's no, no way. You know, for those who don't know, Trenny Gibson was 16 in 1975, 76, 76, 16 in 1976. She was on a school field trip in a park, Great Spooky Mountains National Park up the Clingmans Dome area, headed down to Andrews Bald. It's about a mile and a half or so of a trail and three quarters of a mile to half a mile from the parking lot.
Her friends watch her go up around a bend, and she's never seen again. So when you say there were suspects, who did you look at?
So the two main suspects were her best friend, Robert Simpson. She went to school with him. They stayed together throughout this field trip. The funny thing about the field trip in general is that none of the kids supposedly knew where they were going. So you came across, did you find a source for that? What? About... Them not knowing. Them not knowing?
Yeah.
Well, yeah, there is. It's Trenny's mother.
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Chapter 5: What are the key suspects in Trenny Gibson's disappearance?
Okay.
Because she was going to be a chaperone.
Gotcha.
And then she backed out at the last minute. And that's why there was only one adult watching 40 kids.
Gotcha.
And she felt bad about that, obviously, forever. And the teacher, he ruined his life, basically. Yeah. Because that's way too many kids for just one adult to be looking at.
It was, yeah, 25 to 1 ratio.
Right. And there were some rumors, though, that, you know, that information had leaked out because, you know, there was a woman who interviewed some of the the kids now adults. And they claim that they knew that the information had leaked out and that like half of them knew where they were going.
Yeah.
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Chapter 6: What theories exist about the Dennis Martin case?
Some pieces are tumbling together here. Yeah, so he went to the hospital after getting shot, and then he went to jail for that, for like a breaking and entering bit.
He went to jail for getting shot at?
Yeah, yeah.
It was the 70s.
And yeah, apparently, according to Trenny's parents, he made some comments about wanting Trenny dead after, you know, like he was sentenced. And so all of this kind of added up to, in addition to like, I think it might be in the NPS file or it might be in this book written by Baldwin and Grubb called Lost in the Smokies.
I cannot stand that book.
Yeah, there's this rumor that like Kelvin was seen following the bus on the way there, but it was completely refuted by the principal of the school who said he was in class that day. Uh, but since there was that incident, it was kind of like, you know, everyone looked at him as a suspect, but Kelvin Bowman was still alive. Like I said, up until two months ago.
And, uh, I was working with Mike Bouchard on this and he like contacted Kelvin and as text messages with him, he said that him and Trenny were in a relationship for a whole year. Wow. And he, and he had been sneaking into that window for that time. And this was the time that they just finally caught him. Geez.
Yeah.
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Chapter 7: How do personal experiences influence investigations?
Chapter 8: What is the Wendigo and its connection to the discussions?
Yeah. You can look at their house. It was pretty nice house. Like, I mean, it, Her dad had a good job. You wonder.
Do you know what kind of drugs it was?
I don't. I would guess probably heroin.
That's the thing. My immediate go-to was in that area in that time. Well, I guess Oxy was later. Meth wasn't a thing yet. My first thought was going to be Oxycontin, but that was in the 90s, wasn't it? I would think just regular old heroin.
Yeah, it could be. I mean, he was, I believe, like, towards the end, he was living in his parents' basement or something.
He wasn't doing great.
Yeah. And Trini's mom is still alive, but she's like... She's gotta be ancient. Well, that, and she's like... I mean, I don't want to call her strange, but she, like, if you... She only talks about this case, I mean, she'll go on this, like, long diatribes about, like, her faith in God and stuff, and it It seems like she doesn't want to talk about it. It's interesting.
They did seem like... Obviously, for the people who might take this the wrong way, I am a Christian. I'm wearing my cross right now, actively. It's right here. It's on my neck. They seemed like the... super religious type of Christians.
Yeah. They're super. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah.
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