Courtney Love | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan
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What is discussed at the start of this section?
I was confident after that. I got cocky.
I got cocky.
I was confident.
First time I ever laid eyes on you, the memory I have is the shoulders kind of thrown back. Yeah. And it's just this confidence.
I throw out 10,000 tangents so no one can get to me.
Sure. Well, I've chased you down many rabbit holes. I know, Billy.
Like, this is terrifying.
My two memories of watching you play at the Avalon that night, you know, was the cool guitar stuff happening and then this just never-ending scream. And what is the source of this? You weren't giving me money for smokes. You're still mad. I am. Courtney, thank you for being on my podcast. Anytime, Billy Corgan. I love it. Okay, well, it's going to be a hundred part series. I know. So this is part one and two. I know. Okay, let's start here. Okay. I'm going to jump around a little bit, which I'm sure doesn't surprise you.
No, I do that too.
Let's talk a little bit about mom and dad. Oh, wow.
Wow. My blood just ran cold. Oh my God, of all things, Corgan. Okay.
Okay.
Dad was an interesting guy in the Grateful Dead world.
Yeah. And then in the Irish Holy Grail world and in the LSD, giving LSD to his child at the Haight-Ashbury world. You know, he's got a hero's journey, as lame as he was. Oh, in the Steve Jobs, working at Apple. uh before any one world uh and then getting fired from apple because wozniak liked him and getting fired from he he would attract like peter albin from the big brother you know peter albin you do too it's like a very brother in the holding company yeah he was that guy okay he was that guy i don't think he's the guy that went to texas you know this stuff you're like ai he didn't go to texas and get janice back but he was in big brother okay am i wrong You were just doing forensic electric prunes.
I'm in the snob crowd that likes Janice without the holding company.
Me too. I thought they were a really bad band. So there's something there. Well, yeah, the recording in Chicago, you would know about that. Yeah. It's a crap recording, honestly. It's hard to get through it. I understand. It's still gold. So Peter Albin, if I'm not correct, my father...
Have you heard Janis Joplin's? It's very raw. Her recordings early on, like 64 with Jorma from the airplane. They're called the typewriter tapes because somebody's typing while they're singing.
I heard some really raw stuff.
It's her singing early blues with Jorma.
How did Courtney Love's childhood shape her identity?
playing guitar. I've heard something from Texas. It's on Spotify. You can find it. Yeah. No, no. This is when she's in San Francisco and she's like 18 years old.
Yeah. Cause she went there twice and people think the hate was this really great place. My memory of the hate Asbury, other than my father giving me acid from about three to six until my mother noticed and he got his custody taken away, is that it was dank and dirty and awful and people were on heroin. And so the whole, and or early meth, Right. So the whole Summer of Love thing, they just used the same footage over and over, like two days in Golden Gate Park. Not kidding.
Well, it was the apotheosis. They had it. They actually got it on tape.
The whole Fillmore thing was dark. And the Janice thing that tracks is that she ended up on Smack. She ended up in sex work. Tracks for me. I get it. And had to go back to Texas twice.
Well, it is a gold rush town.
Klondike? Absolutely.
I always think the way towns are formed, it never leaves their DNA.
No, you're right. You're right.
Like, look at Chicago.
You're right, you Mason. You're right, you Freemason, you Mormon. The DNA thing is real.
Okay, so let's talk about mom a little bit.
She doesn't really have a hero's journey that I've figured out yet. Maybe she has to pass.
Well, isn't she just like the classic white intellectual snobby therapist?
Yeah, but adopted by rich Italians, who I adored, who couldn't have children, who wanted a blonde, blue-eyed child. My mother's mostly Jewish, but she has blonde and blue eyes. It took some 23andMe to figure that one out. But she always would try when she became a hippie. So she inherited a lot of money from the Reeseys, who I adored.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–2:43
2
How did Courtney Love's childhood shape her identity?
2:43–5:58
3
What experiences influenced Courtney's views on confidence and control?
5:58–11:19
4
How does Courtney reflect on the indie music scene and its politics?
11:19–53:34
5
Why was the Riot Grrrl crowd obsessed with Courtney Love?
53:34–54:24
6
What does Courtney Love mean by being a class traitor?
54:24–54:58
7
How does ambition affect women in the music industry?
54:58–55:46
8
What insights does Courtney Love share about vulnerability in performance?
55:46–1:47:43
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