Daryl Hall, Part 2 | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
When I'm on stage, I'm the focal point, and that's what I do.
Because you've been such a successful hit maker, do you have a particular philosophy about making hits? Because, again, your ability to move through genres.
My philosophy is don't think about it.
Yeah.
What is Daryl Hall's philosophy on making hit songs?
I worked with, we opened for everybody from David Bowie to Billy Paul and Stevie Wonder.
I mean, go on and on and on. So only in the record business does your old label release a song that you had before to capitalize on your success with the other label that you're now signed to.
Yeah.
And of course, we're talking about She's Gone. Right. Which they reissue becomes, I think, number seven. Yeah. You must have been like, okay, like, sure.
I wasn't complaining. Right? I just thought, well, okay, you screwed it up the first time, so try and do it right the second time.
Yeah, and of course, it's a classic now, which is funny how those things work, you know? Yeah. How long, how much... After that was reissued, did Tavares do their cover, which was also a hit, number one R&B?
I'm not... My brain... I'm forgetting what came out first. Tavares did it, but I don't know if they did it before our re-release. I think Tavares did it, and then ours was re-released. Because their version's great, too. Yeah, that was good.
Yeah, really cool. Um... I'm curious because, okay, now you're having your first true success. You've got two hit singles. I mean, for people like us, it's like, wow, I mean, it's actually happening. I'm that guy, right?
How did the re-release of 'She's Gone' impact Daryl Hall's career?
What was your personal life like then?
Well, I was still... I was living in the village in New York with Sarah Allen. And... I was on the road a lot. Right. You know?
We'd be doing those package tours where it's like you guys... I was playing with everybody, man.
I worked with... We opened for everybody from David Bowie to Billy Paul and Stevie Wonder. I mean, go on and on and on. Yeah. Cheech and Chong. Wow. No, they were for us. Yeah.
How'd you get on with Bowie? He must have... I don't know. I knew David. He must have loved what you were doing.
Yeah, I was... This was too early to... He was... This was the second show he played in the United States.
Is this Ziggy Stardust time?
Yeah, this was the first Ziggy thing. Okay. And it was in Memphis, Tennessee. And it blew my mind, to tell you the truth. Oh, he's so good. But, you know, he was... They were treating him like he was... I don't know what. You know, they would carry him around.
And it was... Well, that's when he was with Tony DeFreeze. Yeah, all that.
Tony DeFreeze was charging him 50%, putting him in limos and bankrupting him so everyone would be... That whole Tony DeFreeze situation, oh, man, it was... He had these guys in karate suits walking around. I mean, it was stupid. But, you know, I love David, man. I mean, I... Yeah.
Yeah. Um... I'm curious because I don't think there's any information that I saw because you've been such a successful hit maker. Do you have a particular philosophy about making hits? Because, again, your ability to move through genres, you know.
If I have a philosophy, it's that I don't know what a hit is. Okay. I am always surprised if something is successful commercially or not commercially.
So you wouldn't fall into the trap of thinking, okay, this one's going to be a hit.
Uh-uh. Sometimes I think it's going to happen, and it doesn't happen at all.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, sometimes I say to my fans, you know, if I knew how to recreate it, I would, you know.
Oh, yeah, they always say, what's your formula? I say, are you kidding?
That's why I ask more of a philosophy, you know.
Yeah, no, my philosophy is don't think about it.
Yeah. I do think it's remarkable that obviously there's cultural influences in your music as you go through the eras, but you seem overall immune to trend. Is that a fair comment, you think?
Yeah, yeah. I think I'm out of the, you know, sweet generous kind of thing. You know, it's, I try and, I don't do it at all now. I don't even pay any attention to Trent. But even in days when it was more important because of the way radio worked and all that, I still only just picked and chose little things to try and be relevant.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:19
2
What is Daryl Hall's philosophy on making hit songs?
0:19–1:52
3
How did the re-release of 'She's Gone' impact Daryl Hall's career?
1:52–5:31
4
What pressures did Daryl Hall face from record labels?
5:31–5:56
5
How did Daryl Hall's personal life change with rising fame?
5:56–25:02
6
What was the turning point for Hall & Oates in the 80s?
25:02–42:50
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