Gene Simmons | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan

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What inspired Gene Simmons to become a musician?

Billy Corgan 0:00
Now I have this memory because I was a KISS fan. I had the KISS poster on my wall before I even heard a note of KISS. I'm so sorry.
Gene Simmons 0:06
Ultimately, invariably, and other big words like gymnasium, living well is the best revenge. It's the reward. They're jumping up and down like biblical locusts going, you know, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Billy Corgan 0:23
And you think, oh boy, they're going to hate. But at the time, the heavy metal fans were not happy.
Gene Simmons 0:27
They were not happy. They hated it. I know. So as soon as you start to bend over for the soap, it's not long before you become somebody's bitch.
Billy Corgan 0:35
Did I make any sense there?
Gene Simmons 0:37
Sure, but I prefer to make dollars. Oh, that's another one.
Billy Corgan 0:43
It's actually too small to introduce you as the man who needs no introduction. You're bigger than that. You're bigger than that.
Gene Simmons 0:52
Thank you. Let's start here. How about Dodger Stadium when I saw you backstage?
Billy Corgan 0:58
That's a card. That's card three. You're jumping ahead of my narrative. I'm so sorry. If you want to interview me, I'm more than happy to do that.
Gene Simmons 1:07
Sure, how much?

How did KISS evolve during the disco era?

Billy Corgan 1:11
Ten grand? One hour? You'll fly to somebody's house with a box set for...
Gene Simmons 1:20
50? Well, that's changed, you know, inflation. Has it gone up?
Billy Corgan 1:23
Oh, hell yeah. For you to go make an appearance at someone's house, what would it cost a fan at this point?
Gene Simmons 1:30
It depends how long. But they have paid 250. Yeah?
Billy Corgan 1:36
Yeah. I believe it. You're worth it. That's part of what's in here, about how you're worth it. So let's start here.
Yeah.
Billy Corgan 1:47
It's the lowest hanging fruit, but I do want to get somewhere with it. So band plays its last concert, Madison Square Garden. Was it two nights you played Madison Square Garden?
Gene Simmons 1:58
Yeah, we just wanted to do one. I'm surprised you didn't play like 50. Well, you're very kind. We were offered many nights, but we just wanted to do one. And then the powers that be, especially the videographers and shmideographers and all those guys said, well, what happens if the power goes or something? You got to have a backup. So we did two. Right. We only did two last shows of all time for the band.
Billy Corgan 2:27
I know you love your band and I know you love your band's history and we will, of course, get into that. And you're not a person, in my estimation, I've been watching you on television since I was a little kid, since about 1976, I think.
Gene Simmons 2:39
How old are you?
Billy Corgan 2:40
Fifty-seven. Seventy-four. You're looking good. But here's my point. You're not a person, in my estimation, who shows a lot of emotion in your public persona. Behind the scenes, you're very warm and very sweet, and you've always been great to me, so I don't want to give the sense that you're a cold person. But, you know, you play Gene Simmons on television for a living, and you've been great at it, and I remember seeing you, Donahue or whatever I would see you on, and, you know, I'd be sort of Mike Douglas. Donahue. Weren't you on Donahue? Mike Douglas, oh my God. I know you're on Mike Douglas. You know they don't know what you're talking about. Okay, well, I'm 57, right? I mean... I remember, you remember Mike Douglas?
Billy Corgan 3:28
Certainly. Okay, my point of saying all this is, past all the obvious part of it, how did you feel playing that last show, knowing it was the last show?
Gene Simmons 3:39
Very emotional, especially because you're... Well, I was a New York kid. We all were. Although I wasn't born in America. I know I don't look Swiss. So the band started at 10 East 23rd Street, which was 10 blocks away from Madison Square Garden.
Billy Corgan 3:57
So it literally was full circle.
Gene Simmons 3:58
Literally. And I remember as a 20-year-old kid walking 10 blocks to see who's playing Madison Square. And you'd see Elvis and stuff like that.
Billy Corgan 4:07
Did you go to shows back then?
Gene Simmons 4:08
No, no, no. I was a... one of those classic jews who simply refused to spend any money and lived at home until i was with my mother till i was 20 i mean we were playing anaheim stadium headlining it happened very fast for the band and i was living at my mom's house That's how you know Jesus was Jewish. He lived with his mother until he was 33 years old. He thought his mother was a virgin, you know, all that stuff. And it was emotional because somehow the journey, you know, even salmon returned to spawn where they were bred, you know, that sort of homecoming thing.

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