Patrik Mata | The Magnificent Others with Billy Corgan
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What is discussed at the start of this section?
I knew I could sing. I just knew it. And I just had this burning yearning in my heart that I have to do this.
Oh, OK. I don't care about anything else. Yeah, like a bolt of lightning.
I tried to get other guys to play with me. No one would play with me. This kind of goth, death rock, whatever people want to call this genre, which you were part of initiating into the world.
People would go, I'm not going on after these guys. I don't want these guys on our bill. They can't play. They're horrible. I mean, they look weird. What's up with these guys?
There are those artists who... They are the art. And everybody tries to figure out how to do what they do. That's me. Patrick Mata, thank you for being here. I'm so happy to talk to you today.
It's my pleasure.
So, there isn't a ton of information out there about your life. Maybe that was purposeful.
Some of it.
Some of it.
And I get yelled at about it.
Well... from the point of view of interviewing someone, you know, you kind of start with the cursory kind of like, you know, the life story. And one thing I saw attributed to, and I always like to ask as opposed to assume, was this your connection to kind of Dadaism and... There's a big influence on me. Okay, great. So let me start here and then we'll jump in because I'm very curious for your thoughts on this because when I saw this and then I thought of your work and your life, like it put all these pieces together that maybe I didn't understand before. okay so i want to ask you how you came to it because i i came to it from my own direction but i didn't know you'd come oh yeah okay so um uh so let's start here because i i uh tristan zara oh he was there you go he was my david bowie okay before bow okay so let me say a couple things here and then uh and then i want to of course i want to hear from you so uh
Did you read, it came out fairly recently, the book about Kiki Man Ray? Did you read that book?
No, I know who she is, of course.
Yeah, so it's an exploration of Man Ray's relationship with Kiki, more so from the vantage point of Kiki as opposed to Man Ray, which is very interesting.
Did these people speak to her?
Well, no, she's long passed away. I know that, but I mean, then there is... It's kind of a re... It's a, let's call it a deep dive reassessment of her place in the Dada story. Normally she gets kind of cast as a kind of... She was friends with Man Ray too, right? Well, no, she was Man Ray's lover. That's what I mean, yeah. And really wanted to marry Man Ray. Their relationship was a lot deeper than I thought. And I've collected Man Ray photos. And so I have a pretty good knowledge of Man Ray. But I always thought of her as a kind of a character in this play of this time in Paris. This idea that she was the model muse for so many artists. But the book is a beautiful reassessment. I wish I could remember the author's name.
It's called Kiki Man Ray. And she used to sign autographs as Kiki Man Ray. She thought of herself as his wife. And she had a lot more influence over his artistic work than people thought anyway. But they talk about Tristan Czar in the book. And in the beginning, Czar was this radical who kind of reset the table with how the artists in Paris, all these expats and stuff living in Paris, should see Dadaism and they'd have Dadaist symposiums and he would lead poetry nights and stuff like this. but they do talk in the book over time kind of dadaism fell out as a sort of cause celeb and czar also kind of fell out but even to the end he was all he was all in on dada so i want to say a couple things about um zara because i saw a lot of reflections in your work but i wanted to ask you so um these are just some basic definitions anti-art nihilism rejecting traditional beauty and logic
Zara saw art as a tool for destruction and negation of established values, aiming to shock audiences. Spontaneity and chance. He promoted chance operations like cutting words from newspapers for poetry and automatic writing to bypass conscious control and reveal authentic expression.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–3:56
2
How did Patrik Mata's early influences shape his artistry?
3:56–27:48
3
What challenges did Patrik face when starting his music career in LA?
27:48–44:24
4
How did Community FK begin and what was their early sound?
44:24–46:40
5
What insights does Patrik Mata share about his early experiences in music?
46:40–47:51
6
How does Patrik Mata reflect on the evolution of alternative music?
47:51–50:35
7
What role does Patrik Mata believe technology plays in modern music production?
50:35–51:12
8
What are Patrik Mata's thoughts on the current state of music and its audience?
51:12–1:28:45
Speakers
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