Steven Rinella talks with Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard and Janis Putelis.Subjects discussed: Botching people’s names; blacksmithing; fishing with a single fly forever; 18 strands of white stallion tail; Steve being good at libraries; feeling the current with your testicles; taking kids fishing on the Crow reservation; riding out an avalanche and burying a dead friend; being an asshole when you start out and an asshole when you get back; Yvon in jail; Jani on karma; "Fuck Mars"; and more. Connect with Steve and MeatEaterSteve on Instagram and TwitterMeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeShop MeatEater Merch Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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