Ep. 934: Paul Rosolie on Uncontacted Peoples, the Amazon, and Junglekeepers
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Who is the guest and what jungle experiences does he share at the start?
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you want to learn about it?
Dude, I'm jungle curious, man. I'm jungle curious because I've spent I've been fortunate to spend, let me see, let me add it up. I've been fortunate to spend maybe like eight weeks, I guess.
Okay.
Scattered out, maybe eight weeks or so in the jungle in South America. Yeah. Just enough to go like, I should have had more of this in my life. Should have had more of my life. And it's like it's a real miss of mine. Oh, I don't want to go so far as to say if I could do my whole North American life over again, I'd move it down to South America, but I'm way jungle curious. Okay. So I'm gonna I got a lot of things. But uh Paul Rosley. So Paul's a naturalist and author. He's a jungle expert. Um, maybe most importantly, he's the founder of Jungle Keepers, a conservation organization. Amazon. I'm holding his book here, Jungle Keeper, What It Takes to Change the World. We're gonna talk a bunch about jungles and we're gonna talk a little bit about
Something that uh Our listeners are familiar with because it's just it's thematic through all of our discussions. This being, you know, this is a very North American-centric show. We spend a lot of time on issues that are centered around that are peripheral to discussions of like what we call, you know, the the the North American model of wildlife conservation. I think some people hear that and they just get bored just hearing the term. But it's it's the system. It it's a system that accounts for in the United States, in Canada, right? It's a system that accounts for. How can we be so rich? And have three hundred and sixty million people and be like military and technological innovators and still have Woods and wild places.
Mm-hmm. Right. That doesn't happen by accident. No. It doesn't happen by accident. We achieve that through a model that isn't Always exportable. Right. It it it i it worked here and it's worked here, but it's it's it's a it's a model that as we just as we discussed before, it's a model that like in Africa, there's a different take on that model.
Yeah.
Right. And so I I think a lot of people as we get into this discussion, a lot of people will as they're thinking about they'll be like, Oh yeah, for decades I've been hearing about the Amazon, deforestation in the Amazon, illegal logging in the Amazon, illegal poaching in the Amazon, the Amazon's disappearing. Um One of the things I want to get in with you is What does that look like? How does that happen? How does it Uh how do we stop that from happening? Right. Is our system applicable? Is there another system that's applicable? So we'll get to there. Great. But first I gotta ask you about some of my can can you handle some jungle questions? Uh oh.
No Yes. Yes, please.
You don't need your notes for these general questions. Okay, junk here's here's junk question number one. Okay. This is like again, I I'm I was uh I've been fortunate to do a little dabbling down in um What country were you in? Well, so some was in so I spent some time in Bolivia. Okay. In the headwaters of the Amazon. Yeah. Then I spent some time in what's sort of like cheating to call it the Amazon, but I was just over the ridgeline in Guyana.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
Who is the guest and what jungle experiences does he share at the start?
0:00–11:47
2
What is the bullet‑ant initiation ritual and how does it feel?
11:47–1:04:26
3
How do logging camps operate and why does the Amazon timber trade rely on rivers?
1:04:26–1:20:03
4
What strategies are used to turn illegal loggers into rangers and protect the forest?
1:20:03–1:33:51
5
How do uncontacted Amazon tribes live, and what challenges arise when outsiders try to engage with them?
1:33:51–1:50:16
6
How does Jungle Keepers fund land protection and what are the plans for creating a national park?
1:50:16–2:08:19