The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Backtracks on Grace For Charlie Kirk, and Dangers of ChatGPT, with Rich Lowry, and Adam Raine's Parents | Ep. 1182
29 Oct 2025
Chapter 1: What shocking incident involving illegal migration is discussed at the start?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Wednesday. Later today, oh my gosh, we have a really important interview. It's been one of those interviews where it's weighing on my heart, but we've got to do it, and you've got to listen to it.
I urge you, please, please listen to it on the dangers of AI and these chatbots and what they are doing to our children. In particular, chat GPT, Sam Altman. It's a shocking and infuriating personal story, and when you hear what chat GPT does, help do to this 16-year-old boy, you will think long and hard before you allow your child to have unfettered access to this. We're going to get into it.
Okay, first though, there's a lot of news to get to today, including some prominent liberals walking back, what, their controversial racist comments, their calling Trump Hitler. No, walking back their sympathy for Charlie Kirk. Honestly, They're sorry that they were sympathetic toward Charlie after his murder. We'll talk about exactly who.
And I don't know if you've seen this horrific stabbing out of the UK involving an Afghan national. But as you know, we've been on this story here for quite some time and did a long feature, a whole show dedicated to this a couple of weeks ago. with one of our pals from GP News talking about the problem in the UK getting overwhelmed with Muslim immigrants.
Some legal, some not, but many inclined toward crime. And they're killing Brits. Not just that, but we talked with him about how now some are pushing to have the British flags taken down in their neighborhoods because they find them triggering. They don't think they're inclusive immigrants. Okay, you moved to Great Britain. Tough shit. Go back home if you don't like the British flag.
No one cares that you feel triggered. But we see stories like this every day. First, it was a crisis of rapes of young white girls. And now it's morphing into stabbings. You know, guns are illegal over there. And, you know, we're told by our gun opponents here in the United States that we just need to get rid of the guns and then we'll get rid of the violence.
I mean, every day they're proving these immigrants in the UK. That's not true. They'll find a way of killing us, which, of course, we already know. And these stabbings have been just as brutal as they come. Now there have been there's been another one. Actually, three people were attacked.
But one man, he was a garbage man, you know, garbage truck operator walking his dog just out of nowhere, completely brutalized. And I'm sorry, but we all know the truth. It's coming soon to a city near you unless we get behind the mass deportations that Trump is trying to facilitate.
We stand up to the people trying to demonize ICE and we continue to elect people who will crack down on what was an open border policy for years under Joe Biden. For all this and more, we're going to bring in Rich Lowry. He's editor-in-chief of The National Review. Rich is joining me in Atlanta on the Megyn Kelly live tour on November 8th of next week.
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Chapter 2: How did prominent liberals respond to Charlie Kirk's death?
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Let's start with the what happened in the UK because it's just it's shocking. So this my understanding is just from the reports and we just read the latest before we came to air there. There was a man. So three people were attacked. It happened in two waves. The first man who was attacked and this is not on camera is a man. This just hit via the Daily Mail named Shahzad Farooq.
He's 45 and he has a teenage son. That man now is being treated for serious knife wounds. And the reason he got stabbed is that this Afghani national was staying with him. him with Mr. Farouk. They had somehow allowed this. I don't know why or how. The Farouks are of Pakistani origin. The accused killer is an Afghani.
But Farouk took in this suspect and was allowing this man to stay with his family. And what Farouk said, according to Farouk's brother, is that, quote, the Afghan man was staying with me and the brother said there was no argument or any other issue that led to the attack. He just went berserk and started attacking my brother, the guy Farouk, and my nephew inside the home.
that the brother had told him the Afghan man burst into a room with a knife, screaming, and went mental. They ran out of the house, and the Afghan man chased them. This is what they get for their kindness. And that is when the Afghan man came across the dog walker. He then—I'm just going to describe it for the listening audience— but he then attacked this sweet man walking his dog,
As though as though they had had a long standing personal beef in which there was mutual hatred and in which the Afghans man's family was threatened. I mean, the ferocity and almost personal seeming nature of the attack led most people to believe there must be more here. There must be more to it. Nope. There wasn't anything more to it, Rich.
This Afghan man just wanted this gentleman dead and did everything within his power, multiple, multiple, multiple stab wounds, just went after him without mercy. And now there's talk in the UK of whether we're going to be looking at riots any moment now. This just happened overnight. A woman called in to—hold on, I'm looking at my sought list here.
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Chapter 3: What are the dangers of AI technology highlighted in Adam Raine's story?
I'm so scared for my children. I have a 22-year-old son and I'm begging him to move out of the country. Oh, my goodness.
I feel for you.
What are these politicians doing to us? They're putting our children in so much danger. They're putting everyone in danger and they're not doing nothing to help us.
They're pushing us. to do something that we don't want to do. We are peaceful people. British people never revolt against their government. They're going to push us through it because they're not listening to us. I don't leave the house without a man.
You're that worried?
Everyone I know is getting stabbed. They're getting raped in parks.
This is where I live, not where the politicians live.
Do you think that's part of the issue, that they don't live in the real world?
Keir Starmer, if you're listening to this, please do something. I'm petrified. I've never broken the law in my life.
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Chapter 4: How did ChatGPT allegedly influence Adam Raine's tragic decision?
Elon Musk tweeted this out, Rich. When Tolkien wrote about the hobbits, he was referring to the gentlefolk of the English shires who don't realize the horrors that take place far away. They were able to live their lives in peace and tranquility, but only because they were protected by the hard men of Gondor.
What happened to the nice man who was brutally murdered while walking his dog will happen to all of England if the tide of illegal immigration is not turned. It is time for the English to ally with the hard men, like Tommy Robinson. and fight for their survival, or they shall surely all die.
You've got John James, a UK man, retweeted by Musk, writing, you can smell the anger across the UK tonight. Decent people have had enough. And this from Colin Brazier of the Salisbury Review, a conservative outlet in the UK. For too long, our mainstream media has suspended its skepticism about young men who come here illegally from countries steeped in blood.
They persist in thinking new arrivals can only make a benign contribution to British life. This lie is wearing thin. And the Brits are canary in the coal mine in so many ways rich for the United States. They're woker than we are. They've gone harder left than we have. And this is more than a terrifying reality to witness from across the pond. It's a preview for us of what's coming here.
Yeah. So Elon's statement was very well taken. Obviously, a real token fan. But the point of The Hobbit is Bilbo Baggins doesn't want to go on the adventure. He doesn't want to go on the track. Right. But but this is an effect that the British establishment bringing the dragon, bringing the threat to Bilbo Baggins door when all Bilbo Baggins wants to do is walk his dog in peace. Right.
He should be able to do that. So this is not a gargantuan task. It's just saying, no, we're not going to have more illegal immigrants. We're going to deport the ones that are here. And the immigrants who are illegal are going to insist that they assimilate to a society that is, as you eloquently put it a few minutes ago, they have chosen to come to. Right.
There are lots of other places you could go besides the UK, United States, wherever it is. And if you're going to come, it's because you embrace what we're about and you embrace our heritage and our institutions and our values. That's not too much of an ask.
It's an ask that many, many millions of countless millions of immigrants in this country have accepted and been totally fine with and embraced. But it has to be the basic requirement. requirement of a civil society. Otherwise, you see this disorder and people aren't going to put up with it.
And it's too late. I mean, I, I fear for my friends across the pond, it's too late for them. They've already allowed so many illegals and, and others. I mean, and also legal migrants from countries that have totally unshared values with those of the West that we're seeing them overrun. I mean, we, we had a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned this, we had Will Kingston on. He's an anchor for GB News.
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Chapter 5: What legal actions are Adam Raine's parents taking against OpenAI?
They they are overwhelmed with immigrants from Muslim countries who want America to be a Muslim country, too. We also ran this when Will Kingston was on. This is listen to this. It's a CBS news anchor in Minneapolis cheerily introducing this change to a Minneapolis ordinance allowing the Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast at all hours of the day. She's thrilled about it. Look at this story.
The city of Minneapolis changed its noise ordinance, now allowing the Islamic call to prayer to be broadcast from speakers year-round five times a day. In tonight's Weekend Journal, David Shuman of WCCO reports it is a first for a major U.S. city. The Muslim call to prayer recited in here, heard out there. It is a very simple message to share the greatness of God and to call people to success.
Five times a day, Muslims gather to pray at mosques. But the broadcast for the pre-dawn and nighttime prayers weren't allowed in Minneapolis until now. The city eliminated time constraints from the part of its noise ordinance related to religious worship. In the summer, that means the call could go out as early as 3.30 a.m.
and as late as 11 p.m.
So 3.30 in the morning, you're going to be walking down the streets of Minneapolis, maybe coming home from a bar if you're a kid, whatever. And you're going to be interrupted with Allahu Akbar. Of course, exactly the phrase that all the terrorists shouted before they plowed their airplanes into the Twin Towers, into the Pentagon, and were brought down over a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
I'm sorry, but for many of us Americans, that phrase is deeply rattling and disturbing. And the last thing we need to have is to hear it broadcast five times a day from loudspeakers all over American cities, Rich.
Yeah. Now, obviously, no one has a problem with Muslims praying. And every time I see it, I have all due respect for people whose faith means so much to them. But this is obviously it's a violation of a noise ordinance or should be right. And those hours of the day, we wouldn't want church bells ringing at three thirty in the morning. That's crazy.
And it goes it feels to a lot of people as an act of cultural aggression.
I mean, I don't know. It's one thing to be a Muslim who assimilates to American customs, you know, an immigrant, but it's quite another to be somebody who comes and wants a flag taken down in Great Britain, or here for that matter. And in Dearborn, Michigan, we've seen them out there chanting death to America, right? Over and over, repeatedly. So what are you doing here? Right.
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Chapter 6: What insights do Adam Raine's parents offer about AI's impact on youth?
They have entirely different plans, Rich.
Yeah. So unfortunately, that's a pretty stark statement of a worldview that's not just anti-Israel, that's anti-Western and therefore anti-American at its core and at its roots. And one of the problems, Megan, is we had a huge wave of immigration, historic wave of immigration in this country, late 19th century, early 20th century.
But there was such a huge effort to so-called Americanize, a word you can't use in a lot of quarters, all these immigrants. It wasn't just the government was trying to do it. Educational institutions were trying to do it. Corporations were trying to do it. It was a huge cultural effort across all swaths of American society.
And what we've had since the 80s or 90s, pretty high levels of of immigration. With no emphasis on Americanization really whatsoever. And in fact, the opposite. And one of the more disturbing things about Ilhan Omar is you can make the case that she didn't come here and not assimilate. She came here and actually assimilated to a part of the Western and American culture.
opinion which hates ourselves right so they wouldn't say it necessarily at yale harvard the way that a mom or whoever that was did they wouldn't be quite so stark about it but the underlying ideas and the underlying thrust would be the same so um this is this is very bad you either should have a massive assimilation effort and high levels of immigration that that works or you have low levels of immigration and no effort for assimilation but to have high level
of immigration and low levels of assimilation is a societal disaster.
We watched a Muslim person became the mayor of Dearborn. Now there's this Omar Fateh running for Minneapolis. And then there's Zoran Mamdani, who's about to win in New York City. I mean, I don't know if the latest polling is correct, but if it is... New York is lost. It shows the Manhattan Institute did a poll just recently over the past couple of days showing Mamdami 15 points up, 15 points up.
I mean, that's absolutely devastating. And there are other terrible polls showing similar numbers for him. Hold on. I'm just pulling them now. The latest was a Suffolk poll that showed him up 10. That one wasn't as bad. Manhattan Institute showed him up 15. Again, Cuomo's the next closest, but he's up 15 over him. Then there was a Victory Insights poll.
This is just from 1022 to 1023, so not that long ago. Mamdani up 18. Right before that, there was the AARP poll, which was 10-14 to 10-15, Mamdani up 14. Right before that, there was a Fox News poll, 10-10 to 10-14, Mamdani up 24. And again, the most recent one was Suffolk, which shows him up 10. So that's somewhat more encouraging.
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Chapter 7: How do the guests describe the responsibilities of AI developers?
It's nothing. It's an honest mistake people make. And then he makes the argument that I've been in the shadows my whole life as a Muslim man. It's only these Islamophobic attacks that are being made on me now. They're catalyzing me to step out of the shadows. He ran in a mock election in his middle school. He ran for student body vice president in high school. He became a state assemblyman.
before age 30. He's gonna be mayor of New York City very likely before age 35. The idea that he's been hiding in the shadows while he's serially engaged in this self-promotion and electoral politics is absurd. It's totally absurd. But he's so bought into this narrative that is anti-New York City, portrays New York City as a terrible den of discrimination and oppression.
I don't think we'd have a million Muslim immigrants or 1.5 in the city itself and the environment in the nearby places if that were true, right? It wouldn't have nearly 300 mosques if that was true. It wouldn't recognize – the schools wouldn't recognize the Eid holidays if that was true. So it's just a lie, and it goes into – it's a slightly polite and more politically –
palatable version of what we heard from from those associates there's something deeply wrong with america we have this inner radical sin of of racism and oppression i you know i want to go back to something you said before and i understand why you said it and i used to say it too like no no problem whatsoever with you know the muslim religion or those who you know
I have to say, I don't totally share your viewpoint on that. I do have a problem with Islam. I do. I think it's totally incompatible with Western values, and I don't think people who practice Islam should be the leaders of America. I just don't. That's how I feel, and I'm entitled to that belief. Because Islam is more than a religion. It is a political ideology.
I mean, Islam, people sometimes couch it as political Islam. All of Islam is political Islam. That's the truth. And we can't be afraid to say it. I'm sorry, but it's just not consistent with Western values. It's not. They're not pro-free speech. They're not pro-women. And they're not pro-separation of church and state, like we in America are.
We view the interference of religion in governance much, much differently than your average Muslim does, even your non-radicalized Muslim. That's what's true. That's why Christopher Hitchens spoke the way he did. Here's his reminder. This is from 2009, SOP 33.
This is very urgent business, ladies and gentlemen, I beseech you. Resist it while you still can and before the right to complain is taken away from you, which will be the next thing. You will be told you can't complain because you're Islamophobic. The term is already being introduced into the culture as if it was an accusation of race hatred.
for example, or bigotry, whereas it's only the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion. Watch out for these symptoms. They are the symptoms of surrender, very often ecumenically offered to you by men of God in other robes, Christian and Jewish and smarmy ecumenical. These are the ones who will hold open the gates for the barbarians.
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Chapter 8: What final thoughts do the guests share about the future of AI technology?
equivalent of the United States and are still struggling with adopting Western values today. So I don't think it's a condemnation of any individual Muslim. I do think I agree with you that their their cultural attitudes and values embedded in religions that work their way out and how societies govern themselves.
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's like I've been covering this too long. You know, you hear about like these alleged honor killings of young girls. You know exactly what kind of family you're talking about. You know immediately what the religion is and why this was done to her. No one for one second thinks it was a Christian or a Jew or a Hindu. You know exactly.
I mean, the treatment of women alone is a deal breaker. And and so much worse when you're talking about illegal immigrants or, you know, people allegedly seeking asylum like this alleged stabber in the UK was this family takes him in. They show him a kindness. The Palestinian family or sorry, Pakistani family takes them in, shows them a kindness, gives them a place to live.
And this is the thanks they get. There was a story in the news the other day about two white gay men in the UK. Exact same thing happened to them. Exact same profile all around. Like how many times are we going to lay our own heads on the guillotine before we realize how this ends? And what they need in the UK is a Trump and a Tom Homan. That's really their only hope, Rich.
Yeah. And again, their Trump, who presumably will hire his Tom Homan, is leading in the polls again years before they get an election. So we'll see what happens with Nigel Farage. There's a fascinating book I read about a year ago called The Weirdest People Ever.
In the world, and it's about the distinctiveness of Western culture and its values by a social scientist who occurred to him that all the psychological studies and exams that were being applied to people to figure out what human nature was at its root were all being given to Western college students because they're the easiest.
They're in a classroom or they're taking your seminar if you're a psychologist, so you give them the test or whatever it is. And what he realized and others realized is, no, one, college students aren't even the norm necessarily in our own societies, but they're certainly not the norm all around the world.
And he found that the dividing line in terms of kind of Western values was the maximum extent of the Carolingian Empire a thousand years ago or so. So in the West, you tend to think, if I have access to government money and responsibility for managing a government contract, it would be wrong to give it to my relatives outright.
Oftentimes that's honored in the breach, but that's what our values say. But you go to certain other societies and you have access to the money, it'd be wrong not to give it to your relatives, right? That would be betrayal of your blood kin. So it's a terrible error to think that just you scratch the surface and everyone around the world is just one of us. They're not. They're different.
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