Former State Dept and CIA Official Ned Price on Trump and Ukraine

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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

Moris Dieck 0:02
Herr Budjettiminister, kuinka neuvottelut sujuivat? Kiteytän lopputuloksen kahteen sanaan. Suk C. Voitteko hieman tarkentaa? Suk C, sau, va, mono. Mitä nyt hiihtämiseen tarvitaan? Mutta mitä? Sitä, että toimittaja on hyvä ja suk C siitä Pudkesporttiin. Sieltä saa kaikki hiihtovermeet nyt liikuttavan halvalla. Pudkesport.fi.
Ben Meiselas 0:20
Let's talk about the intelligence community's perspective on Donald Trump's disastrous meeting with Vladimir Putin and also Donald Trump's, I believe, disastrous meeting with our European allies as well. I mean, former CIA analyst, former CIA director John Brennan, former CIA analyst. are looking at this and saying, wow, Putin was able to manipulate Donald Trump hook, line, and sinker. Putin was a former top KGB member. He knows how to develop sources, how to develop people, how to manipulate people. And some of the manipulation tactics just seem so obvious. Maybe others were a little less subtle. I don't know. They all seem pretty obvious. And Trump bought into all of them.

What insights do former CIA leaders share about Trump's relationship with Putin?

Ben Meiselas 1:02
I parroting Putin's talking points. Trump was saying no ceasefire. Donald Trump was saying we need to redo all of our elections in the United States because Putin told me that the 2020 election was rigged. Putin told me we're hot as a pistol. Putin said the country's as hot as a pistol. Vladimir Putin said Putin runs Russia. Russia's like the strongest country in the world, Donald Trump was saying. Putin turned Donald Trump into literally Putin's PR guy. And Trump came back. He's like Peskov. And he's been just saying Peskov's Putin's PR guy. And Trump's been just saying all the Putin talking points. It reminds me of this article from Foreign Policy that I read back in July. I've shared it with you all before.
Ben Meiselas 1:40
When the threat is inside the White House, what CIA insiders make of the MAGA moles and toadies now in charge of U.S. national security, you go and you read it. It's like, with Ratcliffe in charge, John Ratcliffe, who's a Trump lackey at the CIA, the MAGA warrior Kash Patel running the FBI, the conspiracy theorist Tulsi Gabbard overseeing national intelligence, and the Christian nationalist Pete Hegsip at the Pentagon, Trump has created the makings of a national security nightmare. Quote, totalitarianism in power invariably replaces all first-rate talents, regardless of their sympathies, with those crackpots and fools whose lack of intelligence and creativity is still the best guarantee of their loyalty, Hannah Arendt observed decades ago.
Ben Meiselas 2:30
I mean, that's so on point. Take a look at what John Brennan, former CIA director, turned MSNBC analyst. Here's what he had to say. He's worried that Putin may have microchipped Donald, you know, the beast when Trump put Putin in here. Watch what he says. Let's play it.
John Brennan 2:46
So I think you could see on Putin's face, he felt very, very comfortable. And the fact that he was given a ride then in the presidential limousine, the beast, I certainly hope the Secret Service has swept that vehicle very well in terms of any type of small microchip that might have been put in the vehicle. But then in the press conference, Putin looked chipper.
Ben Meiselas 3:07
He looked upbeat. Either chip or upbeat. He was laughing. His foreign intelligence, foreign advisor, rather, Sergei Lavrov, was wearing SSR, USSR shirt. Andrea Kendall Taylor, a former senior analyst at the CIA, just gave an interview with Foreign Policy magazine. Here's what she had to say. Let's play it.
Andrea Kendall-Taylor 3:28
Many people now see with the summit that the worst fears of the analytic community going into the summit now appear to be in play. So number one, it was just the pageantry that we talked about. So Putin was able to secure this meeting on US soil with the US leader. He stood on the stage during the press conference and parroted his view of the war, how it started and what it's about without any rebuttal from the US president. One of the things that I fear the most is that he was successful in driving a wedge between the U.S.

How did Trump respond to Putin's manipulation during their meetings?

Andrea Kendall-Taylor 4:03
on the one hand and Europe and Ukraine on the other by now putting the impetus back on the Ukrainians.

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