Katrina Markoff built a globally successful chocolate empire, only to lose it all in a devastating corporate and personal betrayal. In this episode of The Messy Parts, Katrina gets real with Maryam about burnout, identity loss, and the fear of starting over. From staying too long in “safe” situations to learning how to trust her instincts again, Katrina shares the messy in-between moments most people hide. She and Maryam discuss bad business breakups, comparison culture, and why you don’t have to be fully “healed” to begin again. This is a conversation about choosing yourself, letting go of titles, and rebuilding after everything falls apart. If you’ve ever felt stuck, behind, or quietly exhausted by doing everything “right,” this episode will remind you that you’re not alone — and that change doesn’t have to be perfect to be powerful.Key Moments“If You Don’t Trust Yourself, You’ll Never Do Anything Interesting” 💥Katrina delivers the core thesis of the episode about intuition, fear-based decisions, and staying stuck in “safe” lives.Discovering Chemistry Through Curiosity 🧪Katrina shares how early experimentation and fascination with transformation shaped her creative path.Running a Cake Business in High School 🎂A surprising early entrepreneurship moment that foreshadows Katrina’s future career.Where Your Heart Leads 🍫Katrina explains how the advice from a mentor helped her trust her intuition.Taking a Culinary Leap 🧑‍🍳How the decision to enroll in culinary school in France — and not follow a traditional career path — shaped the next phase of Katrina’s journeyTrusting Yourself Enough to Take Risks 🚀Katrina and Maryam unpack what self-trust actually looks like in real life decision-making.A Ticket Around the World ✈️Katrina takes another big leap and travels the world in search of her next inspiration.“The Deal Fell Apart” 💔Katrina describes the business collapse that triggered massive emotional and financial stress.“Everything Completely Fell Apart” 🔥She opens up about the full impact of loss, instability, and identity disruption.When You Trust Yourself in One Way — But Not Another 🪞A nuanced moment about partial confidence and hidden self-doubt.Rebuilding After Identity Loss 🌱Katrina reflects on who she became after letting go of old titles and structures.Send a textEmail us: [email protected] To stay up to date with The Messy Parts and get all the behind-the-scenes content, follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, YouTube.If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a rating and review on Apple or Spotify or where ever you get your podcasts.Thank you for listening.

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