Pollies: National's Mark Mitchell and Labour's Ginny Andersen on the National leadership speculation, Labour and the left bloc
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What is the current speculation about a National Party leadership challenge?
Let's get to uh Politics Wednesday and what a Wednesday it is. Jenny Anderson's with us along with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to you both. Hey, good morning, Mike. Good morning, Jenny.
Morning Mark. Morning Mike. Um Are are you talking about the weather in Wellington today or
I've just got a um I've just
got a um the the Herald led with a um uh one of their first updates earlier on this morning, just in case people missed it. Uh one of their early updates on this race today was dawn is about to break. And so I thought That's a little bit bright. It should look a movie. Do you have you had a sleepless night, Mark?
No, I got a few hours' sleep. No, so I'm fine. What time did you w what times were you working the phones till? Uh no I wasn't working the phones but um I sat with the PM till about eleven o'clock last night and then I was up at probably at about five. And you
sat with them in a the we've got this kind of way or?
Yeah, of course. Just um, you know, making sure that he's in the best pos strongest possible position. today and supported for the um caucus meeting. Uh Yeah, I'm very old fashioned. I uh if you've got um if you've got someone that's not been loyal to the leader inside the caucus, you don't do it through publicly. You actually front up and sit down and um and say these w what the issues are and unfortunately someone In in yeah, I uh A lot of it's speculation, we don't know, but um but there's obviously stories in the in the media. Yes we do. Well there's stories in the media's story there's stories that are being put in the media, so we've got to sort that out today. Um and we'll do that.
Um tell me how um sorry Jinny you we'll we'll get you in but you can understand why I'm asking Mark the questions. I'm I'm okay with that. No worries. Um so I don't know Pink. What's his problem? 'Cause he's behind it. He's a duplicitous shit.
Well, I've s so I've seen those reports, um and obviously that will be look, it's it's a caucus meeting and so um you know, I I have to respect the fact that the PM's called that and respect the process, but obviously the discussions that'll be happening inside that caucus will be calling out and making sure that there is loyalty to our leader. He is doing you know, yes, Christopher Lutzen is a friend of mine and um and but he's a great prime minister for us through very difficult global times. Um he he's leading a a very good government with Act in New Zealand first. He has engaged us with world um on the world stage again, delivering multiple free trade agreements. And my I'd h I have to say this, and I know they'll say it several times on your show, but this is not a small thing.
As a minister inside his cabinet, he has backed me every time I have needed it.
How does Mark Mitchell describe his overnight meeting with Prime Minister Luxon?
And as a result, our country is a safer place. He is doing a very good job. Um, and I take great offence to people that I I'm very old school. I've been a part of small teams and big teams. You are loyal to your leader. And if you've got a problem, then you go behind closed doors and you discuss it there, not out in the public.
One one more question. How is it the post in particular, but journalists in general, have you linked as deputy with Erica Stanford? How does that happen?
Uh there will be a lot of speculation and they'll be figuring out what's what happens and and and working through all the different processes. We're not doing that. We've got a caucus meeting this morning. And that is what we're going into have a caucus meeting this morning, nothing more.
Right. You're gonna have a vote.
So if No, well that's no th th that's people are assuming that that's exactly you've just made the point that everyone's speculating and assuming that there's no assumption that there's going to be a vote on anything. But so you There's gonna be no vote. You're all going to
you're all going to all you're all going to Wellington today and you just can have a cup of tea.
Well you're making you're making an assumption that there's going to be a vote. That's what I'm saying. There's lots of assumptions.
But you're you're making an assumption.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the current speculation about a National Party leadership challenge?
0:00–2:39
2
How does Mark Mitchell describe his overnight meeting with Prime Minister Luxon?
2:39–5:05
3
Why does Mitchell say loyalty to the leader must be handled behind closed doors?
5:05–6:59
4
Is a caucus vote on Luxon's leadership actually expected today?
6:59–9:16
5
What do the numbers and rumours suggest about Chris Penk’s support for Erica Stanford?
9:16–10:04
6
How could a leadership vote affect the upcoming New Zealand election?
10:04–11:22
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