Pollies: National's Mark Mitchell and Labour's Ginny Andersen on the social media ban bill, prison massage plan, Luxon's business comments
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Ginny Anderson's with us along with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to both of you. Hey, good morning, Mark.
Good morning, Ginny.
Welcome to Politics Wednesday. For you, Ginny, a couple of quick things if we could. I'm reading this week you're not supporting the census changes because the census changes would require 75% support of the House and you've pulled the pin. Why have you pulled the pin?
So Duncan Webb and Camilla Belich have done all the work on that and we've got some concerns with the way they're aligned and the way they'll operate. So that's why there's not an alignment between the two different changes.
Why did Labour 'pull the pin' on the census changes and what concerns remain?
I think that's some of our issue.
Are you a world apart? And if you are a world apart and won't support it, therefore nothing will get changed because no one's going to get the 75%. Where are we left with the census then?
I think with sort of five weeks of Parliament left, I don't think those changes will take place before Parliament rises.
OK. Social media, Bill. Erica, as of yesterday, was looking to try and get you a copy. You'd seen a little bit of a copy on that magic Thursday morning where you were all gathered around.
I was in there.
I was in there, yeah. Was it super cool? Were drinks and biscuits served? Was it a fun time?
We were jammed into a room with some officials and we asked lots of questions and they answered some of them. It was kind of interesting. OK. So where are we at now with that? We've asked to see the regulatory impact statement, which goes with the bill. We've told we can't see the Cabinet paper, and that's fair enough. We understand that. But the RIS or the regulatory impact statement kind of identifies what is the problem and how the fix will address it. It goes with any good bill, and we'd like to see that, and we're waiting to see that.
Okay. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 you're on board and you'll vote for one that doesn't stand a hope in hell. Where do you reckon you're at roughly?
We want to know more. We've got a whole range of questions about how it's actually going to work and those haven't been answered. So the initial idea we're not opposed to, but we want to see more information and we haven't got that yet.
Is there goodwill?
Generally, yes. Yeah, we care about our kids and want to make sure our kids are safe. But probably we've got a view as well that we'd like to see some other initiatives alongside of just a ban to make sure that they've also got activities to do or there's a programme in place, not just a ban, but to make sure they're safe at school and safe at home.
Sounds like an eight, Mike. Oh, you're pretty good, Mark. Sounds like an eight. I've been optimistic. Mark, your problem this morning is this $9 million massage program that's been going on under your nose in the prison system. That's crazy.
Shop lifting's up and you're giving messages to prisoners. What's going on?
Well, hang on a second. Shop lifting's not up, actually.
What new details have been requested about National’s social media ban bill?
Victimisation's down 11%. Retail crime is down 5%. And court action, which is a great story, Ginny, because when I came in as Minister, our retailers were saying, we want to see more police action. The good news is there's a 26% increase in and police laying charges for retail crime.
Are they getting a massage? Who's getting the massage? Exactly. I'll come back to the massage. Trying to point that out this morning. See, what you're up against, Mark, is the media. So if you read the Herald story this morning on that, they paint it as bad news. And they quote, for example, one of the supermarkets going, oh, and we've seen aggressive behaviour increase 257% in the Luts. And they quote since 2018. So in other words, pre-COVID, pre the Labour government, the whole thing. And so they try and pay. But what we're getting is more people are being arrested, more people are being charged and more people are being convicted. Now, that's good, isn't it? It is.
We know that we know that we've got a lot more work to do. Make no mistake on that. But we are making progress. We are working with. All of the supermarket chains, there's a really good working relationship there.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:36
2
Why did Labour 'pull the pin' on the census changes and what concerns remain?
0:36–2:36
3
What new details have been requested about National’s social media ban bill?
2:36–5:11
4
How committed is National to supporting a social media ban for kids and what conditions do they want?
5:11–7:56
5
What is the $9 million prison Rongoā Māori massage programme and why is it controversial?
7:56–8:53
6
How are retail crime trends and police responses changing under the current government?
8:53–11:40
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