Pollies: National's Mark Mitchell and Labour's Ginny Andersen on the social media bill, AI data centres, alleged Russian spy
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Time for Politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson. Morning to you both.
Good morning to you both.
Good morning, Ginny. I quite like the strokes. You do like the strokes, do you?
Yeah, I do. I quite like them, yeah.
Did you like that?
Did you listen to that and go, oh, cool. From what I could hear, I might even go search that. I don't have a USB stick like you. I just have an app, but I'll go look for it and maybe play it later and save it.
Put it on your app.
Yeah, I do. And it's harder as you get older to find new music. I do find I keep going back to the same ones. I feel bad about that.
No, don't feel bad about it. My argument is it's because new music is not what it used to be, which does make you sound old. New music is not what it used to be and there's not a lot of great new music about anymore.
Do you ever watch a YouTube video of someone singing? Of course I do, very often. Have you seen Miley Cyrus doing Summertime Sadness by Lana Del Rey in the BBC? Live Lounge series.
In the BBC Two room or whatever they call it, I have.
Yeah. It's called the BBC Live Lounge or something like that. Yeah, it's brilliant. But her doing Summertime Sadness I think is probably the best live song I've seen in a very long time.
You should also look up the same series Did Bruce Hornsby and they do three songs and his three songs are very good as well.
I'll do that as well.
Mark, are you falling asleep there in London?
No, I'm not. I haven't got a good line, guys, so you both sound like you're in a fishbowl to me at the moment, so I'll try and get through this. I'm just about, I'm sitting down and having dinner with Rob and Sarah Fyfe. Rob is the chair of our Next Generation Communications program, and we just ordered, which I'd never heard of before, a chicken, bacon hock, and leek pie. Wow. I looked at the time and I said, I've got to get up and get on the radio with Mike and Ginny.
That's nice. You say hi to them. They're very good New Zealanders. They spend most of their life in London these days, of course.
Yeah, they do lots of things, but no, definitely I'll do that. All right. What are you drinking? Sparkling water. Okay, good on you.
All three of us.
Oh, Mark, that's not boring. We did have a gin and tonic and then we're on sparkling water now. Okay, fair enough.
Good for you. Ginny, did you hear Erica on the program earlier with the social media thing? That seems to have been sorted out. Was that ever a thing? Was that you guys trying to make a thing out of a thing that wasn't a thing?
No, I don't think that was. We genuinely, I did hear it, we genuinely would like to see the paper. I think now time has been made where we get briefed. I think that's happening on Thursday morning. So basically Ruben was being given the opportunity to read it, but if you want caucus support, it's only fair to ask for us all to see it and understand what it is and have a talk about it.
Indeed, but the rules, I'm assuming from what she explained, given it's still in front of Cabinet, they're not going to release a Cabinet paper to you to wander off around the building and photocopy for every wall and sundry, are they?
No, but we'll wait and see what happens on Thursday because I think it's not incredibly clear. But we'll get the information. We need to make a decision, I hope, through the briefing. Officials will be coming to our caucus room briefing us tomorrow morning. So let's hope that that gives us what we need.
Let's hope so. Sorry, Mark. No, I was just going to say, just randomly, it's been a bit of a weird debate on that because people were saying, oh, well, if it's only 30% or 40% or 50% successful. But to me, that's success. with our kids, and it's a good starting point, and we could just keep building from there.
Why don't your coalition partners like it?
Yeah, dog with fleas, Mark. That's what Seymour's calling it, dog with fleas.
A dying dog.
It was a dying dog with fleas.
It was a dying dog with fleas.
Even worse. Where's New Zealand First? Are they against it as well, Mark? Do you know or not?
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–6:53
2
What is the social media bill for under-16s and who supports seeing the Cabinet paper?
6:53–7:17
3
How will Labour decide whether to back the under-16s social media ban?
7:17–10:24
4
Why are National’s coalition partners hesitating on the social media bill?
10:24–11:05
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