Rutger Bregman Is Thinking About Billionaires, the US Versus Europe and Saving the World

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Previously titled “Rutger Bregman Is Thinking About Billionaires, the US versus Europe and Saving the World” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 3, 2026

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Rutger Bregman knows what appearing at Davos can do for your profile. His reputation was made when he went there in 2019 and attacked the rich. The clip went viral. A historian and author originally from the Netherlands, Bregman has been focused on elites ever since, most recently in his book Moral Ambition, and in a series of lectures on the BBC, after which he accused the organization of censoring his views on Donald Trump. In this conversation with Mishal Husain, we hear more about his worldview, which is more nuanced than some might expect. He discusses how he is impressed by entrepreneurs, favors action over commentary and is putting his book profits toward building a community that furthers his beliefs. 00:00 - Introducing Rutger Bregman 02:30 - The rise of AI07:53 - Wasted talent 09:22 - I want to pull my hair out10:05 - European leadership 11:14 - Europe is weak 12:25 - Ideals are worth little without power 13:45 - Building a movement 17:40 - Mamdani and populism 21:00 - The God shaped hole 25:12 - Elon Musk the entrepreneur26:08 - The BBC and Trump 30:49 - A new form of feudalism33:56 - Small groups can change the world 35:14 - The best place to thinkWatch this podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0Ns_wjGlmjlPz0cded0nTYS You can find the written version of this interview with Mishal’s notes on Bloomberg Weekend: https://www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview Contact The Mishal Husain Show [email protected] Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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