The Lindsay Clancy trial & postnatal psychosis explained
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What sparked the conversation about post‑natal mental health in this episode?
This concept that we can just add, you know, on top of a traumatic birth, going home, resettling, becoming a new parent, you know, forming your relationship with your partner.
Like I genuinely it blows my mind and I think it's the greatest upheaval and it's the greatest learning that someone will do, I reckon, in their life. Absolutely.
Hello and welcome to today's episode of The Moment. Today we're gonna talk about some really difficult things. Okay, so if you're not feeling up to those kind of conversations, then Maybe you can give this episode a miss. But I'll give you a bit of an idea of what it's about and and you can decide whether or not your feeling in the right headspace for this today. But what I wanted to do today was talk about something that's been very much in the news cycle in the last couple of days, especially with the mistrial of the Lindsay Clancy case in the US where Lindsay Clancy was on trial after killing her three children. So like Yeah, it's heavy stuff. It's really heavy stuff. Part of her defense was that she was experiencing postpartum psychosis, which is something that we haven't really as a society talked about a lot.
Certainly not that publicly up until more recently when discussions around mental health have become easier. People are more comfortable to do this and and I think what I found A change in culture. around it, that women were testifying against her, about her, but they also stood beside her and they held her hand. There is more knowledge about how it can happen to anyone. There's more understanding of what it is. And I think too, the more we talk about it, the easier the path is for the next bunch of parents who go through it and might be experiencing symptoms and they'll feel freer to to sing out and hopefully work with experts who can help them through and give them a a way to navigate through it. So today we're gonna be talking about that.
And I've got Julie Born in College. Who is the CEO of an organisation called Panda, which stands for Perinatal Anxiety Depression? Australia and they take care of people in need pre-birth and then after birth as well. So I'm sure she can explain it all. Hello, welcome Julie. Thanks so much for having me. Now, Julie, obviously I've I've not had children, so I've not experienced this. But one thing I have learned in the last few years, especially dealing in the menopause space and the perimenopause space, and that is that women's health, especially when it comes to hormones and huge hormonal fluctuations like during childbirth or prior and during perimenopause and menopause, no one really understands.
What's going on? And I wonder why haven't we taken the hormonal changes for women. in pregnancy as seriously. As we should.
Oh, look, it's such a good topic of discussion and I think such an important area and you're absolutely right in that, you know, women's health and wellbeing starts from the moment they're born to the moment they are no longer on this planet, you know. And we know acutely that that point at which we're, you know, preparing for pregnancy, getting pregnant and having our bubs, and as you said, book end it with a menopausal experience, we're absolutely this Petri dish of hormones. that are um up and down. And you know, they're probably the most significant periods in a woman's life when we talk about mental health and well being holistically. So such an important conversation to have.
Absolutely. So what what has Lindsay Clancy's trial explained to everybody? I know what I've seen and I've seen a real change in that even w women who had to testify against Lin Lindsay still held her hand and stood beside her. Is it an acknowledgement that we are working this stuff out and making it important now and and realizing the impact of these hormonal changes that can have and detrimental impacts.
Yeah, look I think, you know, when we sit vicariously to these pieces of news that are just so huge in the world or within our Australian context, it's really hard not to listen and take on curiosity around it.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What sparked the conversation about post‑natal mental health in this episode?
0:00–5:03
2
How did the Lindsay Clancy mistrial highlight post‑natal psychosis?
5:03–9:27
3
What’s the difference between baby blues, post‑natal depression and post‑natal psychosis?
9:27–13:10
4
Why is there a cultural shift in how society supports mothers in crisis?
13:10–17:17
5
What resources does PANDA offer for families experiencing perinatal anxiety or depression?
17:17–21:45
6
How are mental‑health services adapting for culturally and linguistically diverse communities?
21:45–26:02
7
What future changes does PANDA envision for perinatal mental‑health care?
26:02–29:53
8
How can listeners get help right now if they’re worried about their mental health after birth?
29:53–31:46