Unlearning hustle culture with Ryan Jon
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How did Ryan and Toni first create the Toni & Ryan podcast?
Yeah, I'm trying to think of something I really don't like.
For me sardines is the big one 'cause it's always on a cute Italian like there's sardines and a negroni and a this and a that and I was and I'm like, Oh that looks really cool and I'm like
don't you like the little hairy spiky fish? No.
And even anytime anyone says to you, don't you like the little hairy spiky, the answer's no, it doesn't matter what are they talking about.
I do like it.
Hello and welcome to today's episode of The Moment. And today, gonna meet someone who's behind one of the most successful podcasts in Australia and one of the funniest, I think, and one with the biggest community of supporters. But they've made it like a family. And I'm talking about Tony and Ryan and their hugely successful, I I guess you could say a global podcast. What they've done is incredible. and they are so authentically themselves, you can't help but feel like they're your best friends when you listen to what they do. Yeah. They are absolutely brilliant. They're going on tour around the country. And I do have podcasting royalty in my midst at the moment. Ryan Dunn. Hello.
Hello, thanks for having me. Thanks for calling me a podcast royalty. You are I think you're Australian media royalty, so the pleasure is all mine.
No, I I think you're podcasting royalty because Tony and Ryan was something that came out of that time when people were thinking about doing podcasts, but never really did. Everyone talked about it. You did it. Yeah. And look at you go. Like it's
it's
huge.
Yeah, it was a it was a radio demo for Tony to hopefully she was gonna get a job out of it and she didn't, thank God. And then we put the demo on on the internet and then it takes off and people go, Where's this show? Where do we listen? And we went, Oh, maybe we should publish a whole episode. So it was sort of a mistake, like it was supposed to be Tony's demo. Yeah. So
did you you two work together at a commercial radio station? Yeah. At KISS. And was that something you were gonna sort of hope to keep going with or
Well, I only did like breakfast shows and then I got asked to do like the me you know, during the day it's like very like coming up. Thanks. It was just real and I was like no good at it. And they they offered me the job and I was like I
Is anyone good at that though? Like that's a hard gig to be enthusiastic about saying nothing really.
Yeah. You got fifteen seconds to mention 17 things that are nothing at the same time. So I said no twice and then it was COVID and I wasn't working. And my wife goes,
We need some money. Or like
there's nothing else going on. It's COVID. Do you want to just take that? And she goes, she goes, you know you're not good at it, but um they don't. So um you just go for it and have fun and see how long you can last. So I was like, Yeah, no, good call. And I was really shit for five or six weeks and then I was like tolerable, but it w it was just like a something to do. And thank God I did purely just because that's where Tony was working and we met each other. Yeah. And she said, I wanted to do a show. And I was like, Cool, well, I'll pretend to be your co-host and stuff. And I actually think That's why it's good is because as a man with the ego, I I think back in the day I used to like want to be the star, but because it was just a demo for her, I was happy to like prop her up and let her be funny.
Um, and then shocker, she is really funny, she is hilarious, and she's the funniest person ever. She's hilarious. And so maybe if we started as thinking it was a pod, maybe I would have like tried to be a hero too much. So I think maybe the Yeah, I don't know if it would have been the same with different intentions.
Isn't that interesting? What well what have you learnt about yourself then from that do you think? You're not that
funny, Ryan. She's funny. You're not that funny. Let Tony be funny.
But what does that say like about male culture, I guess? You know, the assumption that, you know, if you go in thinking you're gonna be in charge, do do you maybe like I feel like you might I you might not have been saying this, but maybe it wouldn't have evolved.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How did Ryan and Toni first create the Toni & Ryan podcast?
0:00–4:55
2
What lessons did Ryan learn about un‑learning hustle culture and protecting creative energy?
4:55–9:11
3
Why did Ryan decide to let Toni be the ‘star’ of the show and how did that impact its success?
9:11–13:42
4
How do Ryan and Toni keep their friendship and collaboration fresh while touring?
13:42–17:11
5
What strategies do they use to avoid burnout and maintain a long‑term podcast vision?
17:11–20:51
6
How does their community‑first approach (replying to comments, meet‑ups, etc.) boost listener loyalty?
20:51–24:34
7
What new podcast idea did Ryan pitch to Myf and what makes it unique?
24:34–28:52
8
How do Ryan and Toni balance work, personal life, and creative projects without sacrificing well‑being?
28:52–33:00