Gemini 3 Flash (Smartest, Cheapest AI) with Google DeepMind's Logan Kilpatrick

98.194 - 121.181 Cory

So we're excited to get him back today to talk about, excuse me, to talk live. Sometimes you burp. I didn't even hear it. You could have gone away with it. I could have just pretended it didn't happen. But today we're going to talk about Gemini 3 Flash. What do you think, Grant? Do you have any thoughts?

122.863 - 132.857 Grant

Yeah, it's really awesome so far from my testing. I actually have a project I'm working on right now spinning up. Cool, cool, cool. So I'm excited for that.

133.023 - 157.237 Cory

I've been tinkering with it a little bit, too, in between. It's really funny this week. We were just joking about what an interesting time in business it is that right now we're essentially watching Google and OpenAI drop competing products in back-to-back days all week. There's something new and cool from everywhere every day right now.

157.257 - 161.343 Grant

I hope it lets up a little bit next week with the holiday.

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Yeah.

266.268 - 279.133 Logan Kilpatrick

I'm relieved because for a second I thought you were going to say next week. Not next week, next week. Folks are rightfully taking time off. So it'll be nice for people to relax and have a moment of calm before the storm reemerges.

279.173 - 286.588 Cory

We joked it would be nice if all the companies would just sign a 14-day truce for the next two weeks and everybody breathe.

286.568 - 314.922 Cory

i think you'll roughly get that that's my that's my guess i'm sure someone will try to make noise while other people are not um but i think mostly people are everyone's off which is the nice part about the end of december one of the one of the few nice parts it is it's like it's like the guaranteed mellow at the end of the year usually and uh good chance to reset and start it all over yeah for sure well logan you guys had uh some more big news this week eh with gemini 3 flash it's fantastic

315.458 - 333.838 Logan Kilpatrick

Thank you. Yeah, yeah, the model's incredible. I feel like it's a, I think it's a testament to the work that's been happening on research. It's a testament to like what happens when you have great frontier capable models with Pro as well, sort of like being the model that then distills down into Flash. I think a lot of the,

333.818 - 356.034 Logan Kilpatrick

I've seen a bunch of comments online of folks being like, this model sort of defies the paradigm of what a Flash model actually has historically meant, which I think is actually a good, reasonable comment, just because Flash used to mean small and fast, and now it's like actually the Flash model is... in some cases, like more capable than the pro model, which is really, really cool.

807.049 - 812.177 Logan Kilpatrick

And I feel like Flash is challenging that idea, which is exciting because it means more people are going to be able to build stuff.

812.658 - 812.818 Unknown

Yeah.

813.608 - 817.332 Logan Kilpatrick

Yeah, and stuff that's good. Stuff that works.

818.053 - 840.797 Grant

Stuff that they're excited about, which I think is a special moment. You might have touched on this just a little bit, but as far as the knowledge worker side of using Flash, you mentioned multimodal, but is there any other use cases that come to mind or things that you've seen in the first 24 hours since it's launched that's, wow, that's actually a great use case of this?

841.469 - 859.696 Logan Kilpatrick

Yeah, that's a good question. Actually, so one of the interesting trends that I think we're going to see, and I saw a bunch of early examples of people talking about this online. One of them was like, I saw somebody make the comment that they have historically always opted for the frontier intelligence model as their sort of daily driver model.

1241.491 - 1249.139 Cory

I always like to make sure I'm not like blasting company secrets up on a screen or something before I click the button.

1249.279 - 1250.303 Logan Kilpatrick

No secrets. We're all good.

1252.78 - 1280.357 Grant

OK, so I'm going to go ahead and share this prompt that I sent yesterday, which is basically just a question I was asking on Twitter, basically. And I was like, why doesn't this exist? And then I sent this to Gemini. And maybe we can translate it, but I'll go ahead and send it in the private chat here to you if you want to throw this in the window.

1280.337 - 1310.457 Grant

But basically, what I wanted to create is, where is the video model or video generator that works like a script editor? So for example, you essentially have... like a final draft UI where you type into it and each sentence is basically a shot. And every time you write a sentence and you hit period, it will then basically spin off an image that is the frame of that.

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And then you can be creating a bunch of frames and shot listing, storyboarding your script at essentially the same time you're writing it.

1615.234 - 1627.581 Grant

Absolutely. And then do you find that, you know, with Flash 3 being so cheap that you're having new conversations inside Google about things that you could build or put in production that maybe weren't feasible to do before? Or is it too early for that?

1627.982 - 1640.654 Logan Kilpatrick

No, no, 100%. I think this is the... I think we'll, and again, just to belabor the vibe coding point, I think it's a great example because like, again, like actually like it takes a lot of tokens to build software.

1640.674 - 1651.168 Logan Kilpatrick

It's like on the order of like, I think our average generation is like 50 to 75,000 tokens or something like that, which is like, that's a reasonable amount of tokens could be on the order of like a few dollars per generation.

1651.148 - 1652.89 Cory

Every time you hit enter.

1653.171 - 1664.586 Logan Kilpatrick

Every time you do it. Again, we're in AI Studio providing this vibe coding experience to people for free, which is really cool. But at a certain point, you can't always provide something for free or maybe we'll be able to with Flash.

1886.664 - 1903.517 Logan Kilpatrick

Fast generate. So nice. Oh yeah, there it is. And then I forgot, you know what happens? And this is a horrible bug that I'll get fixed. But when you click code and you go back to the preview, it automatically. Which is terrible. So we will. I'll get it fixed, but.

1903.497 - 1916.692 Grant

But this is basically what I was going for, is every time you write a sentence, you can then see what that sentence looks like. And that's not possible without everything that you've built here. Yeah.

1916.712 - 1929.066 Grant

So to very easily put it together, to have it easily, without me having to set up all the API keys to VO and Imogen and all this stuff, or Nanobanana now, it just does it for you, which is the coolest thing about AI Studio, I think.

1929.146 - 1929.707 Unknown

It is.

1929.687 - 1956.392 Logan Kilpatrick

Yeah, and this was the version with Pro. So actually a really similar UI experience. There's a text editor over here that I can change. And there's some UI visualization. I think the Pro one looks maybe slightly better. There's a way that you can put in images and actually bring them into the videos themselves, which is pretty cool. So generally the same vibe from these two generations.

2203.838 - 2232.58 Logan Kilpatrick

yeah we can't change the prompt it said speak in a calm whisper uh which actually is a great example of like how good the tts model is our texas right the fact that it was able to like whisper like that um i just personally don't want the the whisper so yeah is that a relatively recent tts model or or this is the new one so we actually just upgraded this model i think like a week or two ago or something like that so it is um it's not yet on the three model

2232.56 - 2256.238 Logan Kilpatrick

the three model family but it's like I'm pretty sure it's actually state-of-the-art the TTS model is right now which is really cool so you can you can try it in a studio you can build experiences with it in it um it has a lot of the upgrade was around like control and steerability um and the audio fidelity which is uh which is super cool to see awesome your uh your speech to speech seems to have taken a decent leap as well in recent months

2256.353 - 2277.136 Logan Kilpatrick

More to come on speech-to-speech too. We just rolled out last week or the week before the real-time translation capability as well, which is based on the same speech-to-speech stuff. So we'll have that for developers early next year, which is really exciting. So you'll be able to build like real-time speech-to-speech apps that like translate between different languages.

2277.196 - 2282.462 Logan Kilpatrick

So I think that would be super cool to see people come up with new ideas there.

2282.442 - 2304.298 Cory

I think that's an area a lot of people sleep on, is that that's such a natural way to interact while you're working, like you're sitting there with someone helping you. And I think speech-to-speech has a lot of room for implementation, especially with people who really haven't spent time with AI.

2613.402 - 2632.703 Cory

Two second question. We just got in. Do you know, is Flash 3 Pro or Gemini 3 Flash? God, I'm sorry. I keep stumbling today. Will it be available to schools as part of their free product experience that they already have in the works?

2632.683 - 2657.267 Logan Kilpatrick

That's a good question. I would have to double check. My guess is 3 Flash will be the model that powers all of Google products. I don't know what the explicit timeline is or the packaging from a school perspective. It is available in Workspace, which is part of the product suite that's available to EDU customers. But I think it probably will become more available early next year as well.

2657.287 - 2666.563 Logan Kilpatrick

I think the timeline from launching this to doing the rollouts across Google is very difficult end of year because there's lots of code freezes to make sure we don't break people's businesses and stuff.

2666.763 - 2667.945 Cory

And there's a lot of Google.

2668.366 - 2675.397 Logan Kilpatrick

Yeah, there's a lot of Google. So if it's not yet available in whatever the product is, my guess is it'll be available hopefully early in January.