John Wilson and “The History of Concrete”

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Who is John Wilson and why is he a unique documentary‑comedian?

Unknown 0:02
The New Yorker Radio Hour is a co-production of WNYC and The New Yorker.
David Remnick 0:10
This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. Now, if you're a fan of John Wilson's TV show and films, then then you don't really need this introduction. But if you haven't heard of him
Unknown 0:20
In New York.
David Remnick 0:20
His work is not really easy to explain. He's a documentarian who's also a comedian, a kind of would-be philosopher. So
John Wilson 0:27
do you have strong thoughts about scaffolding? He had
David Remnick 0:29
a hit show on HBO called How To With John Wilson.
John Wilson 0:33
Is there a place I can go where referees hang out?
David Remnick 0:35
Where he wandered around New York City filming everyday life, pontificating, and asking strangers questions that could be mundane. were bizarrely esoteric.
John Wilson 0:45
Is it a sin if I cheat on my taxes?
Unknown 0:47
Was that making you uncomfortable? No. Lo actually yeah a little bit. You ever had a pet that died? Do you think mankind is gonna make a comeback?
David Remnick 0:54
Staff writer Andrew Morance has written about John Wilson for The New Yorker, and the other day he met Wilson at the indie theater he now runs called Low Cinema. It's in Queens, where they show B movies and genre classics. It's filled with ephemera that feels somehow Very John Wilsony. Yeah.
John Wilson 1:12
You know, you gotta have you gotta have
Andrew Marantz 1:14
high and low brow in e equal parts. We've got plaques to Pierce Brosnan, Sandra Bullock, Jack Nicholson, and Vanessa Williams. We got a sink with a giant sink sign on it so you know what it is. Oh, and there's E. T.
John Wilson 1:28
Yeah, there's E. T. He's still holding it down. I put I I put a tongue in him recently. Um it's uh it's pretty realistic.
Andrew Marantz 1:38
Yeah.

What is Low Cinema and how did Andrew Marantz meet John Wilson there?

Andrew Marantz 1:39
Did you make
John Wilson 1:40
it? Um I made the E. T. just during the downtime when we were waiting for different electricians and stuff to to show up when we were making the theater. You know, it's a lot cheaper to make your own E. T. Then uh to buy one. Uh so I would recommend it.
David Remnick 2:00
John Wilson's new film which comes out next week. Bears the title The History Of concrete. You heard that right.
Andrew Marantz 2:09
You came up with the title. as a challenge to yourself or because you thought it was funny or like how did it come to you?
John Wilson 2:17
I mean I I came up with the title because I was genuinely interested in the material and I did want to make the definitive film about it, you know. But I I also like to make comedies and I knew that it would be the hardest thing possible to make funny. And there was something about that that really excited me, even though it was agonizing at points, to get this thing made and to actually make it funny.
Andrew Marantz 2:47
In a way, this sort of journey of your movie starts with you thinking about Hallmark movies. So like wh why was that a springboard for you?
John Wilson 2:55
I think post um the HBO show I I was struggling with discipline, like self-discipline and and trying to figure out kind of where to begin given just this like abyss of stuff to choose from. And so I had the show on HBO for three seasons. So when I decided to end after the third season, I kinda kind of wanted to enter the world of feature filmmaking because it always felt a bit random that I ended up in television and I really always thought about the work as like cinema.
Andrew Marantz 3:41
But I'm sure you had some people in your life being like John, you have the only Job. Please don't give it up.
John Wilson 3:50
Um I you know, I I I wasn't making this work for for money in you know, in a way. I I I think it's it's nice that we had a budget and I could like pay all my friends with the HBO thing, but I am mostly just driven by the subject matter a lot of the time, whether it's like this internal struggle or this kind of external catastrophe that I'm witnessing. But then I started to just shoot without much purpose as I usually do. Uh And I feel like over time I just accidentally made a feature, uh, just by the sheer momentum of like of of of needing something to do to fill your time.
Andrew Marantz 4:35
So then you are like, okay, I'm not doing the it the HBO thing anymore.

How did the title “The History of Concrete” come about?

Andrew Marantz 4:41
Now what do I do with my Time.
John Wilson 4:43
Yeah. And then You know, I'm part of the Writers Guild, so I was in invited as a member to go to this class on how to write and sell a Hallmark movie. And I didn't have anything to do uh so I went and

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