10 - Black Voices in Healthcare: A Conversation
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How did the Black Voices in Healthcare series get started and who were the key collaborators?
You're listening to The Nocturnist, Black Voices in Healthcare. I'm Ashley McMullin. I cannot believe it is already September. The pandemic is still ongoing, and we've borne witness to new tragedies while recognizing so many more that go unseen. And yet, we're still here as Americans, as healthcare workers, as a dynamic community of Black people, loving ourselves, loving each other, and envisioning a future filled with hope. Putting together this series over the last several weeks has been life-giving for me. The joy of building this family, the sense of home in each episode, and the strength and connections that come from stopping and listening to each other's stories. Two weeks ago, we wrapped up the storytelling portion of this series.
Last week, I sat down with our extraordinary executive producer, Dr. Kimberly Manning. I hope you guys enjoy this conversation as much as I did. Here's episode 10. Well, good morning. Dr. Kimberly Manning here live with me. How are you doing this morning?
I'm good. I'm feeling great, you know, living my best life out here in the ATL.
Yeah, I can't wrap my head around the fact that it's been three months since we started this project and about three months since the murder of George Floyd. I'm wondering, just at this point, looking back, how did this project unfold for you or what was your trajectory in getting on board and what it's meant for you since then?
Well, you know that we kind of started a friendship before this came along. I was so, so lucky back in, what was that, 2019? September 2019. 19,
yes,
where I had the... The chance to come and visit as a visiting professor at UCSF and among the meetings that I got was this dynamic, magnetic black woman who comes strolling in with a backpack on. And this explosion of natural hair telling me about all the dope things she was up to. And, you know, I just remember the day very well and us going out for coffee and all that. And so Emily Silverman and I had met a few times before. And when she reached out to me, pretty much she had me at Ashley. Pretty much. She was like, and Ashley, I was like, I want to do it. I want to do it. So, yeah, I was
all in. I also... Love thinking about that time when we met. I was wearing a dress that day. It's probably the only day I've ever worn a dress to work. So I just wanted to point that out. I was actually going somewhere afterwards, but that was partly for you. But yeah, so similarly, you know, having Emily as this mutual connection, as well as us having that history, it is kind of beautiful how this unfolded on the backside of so much pain. Thinking about that first episode, I got to say, I remember when we first put the cut together and I heard your opening story and I just listened to it over and over and over again because you articulated so well just the visceral response to... not just George Floyd, but how his story connects historically with so much that has been witnessed over generations, particularly for you having been present during the Rodney King murder.
And I don't know, can you maybe talk a little bit about what that process was like for you recording that piece?
You know, yeah, so I think the whole point of that was just recognizing that this is just not new, you know, because people are kind of talking about it now, and it's caused more people to rally than have in the past. I just thought it was a chance to say, hey, you know, yo, this is not anything new. This has been going on for as long as I can remember. I remember being a freshman in college in 1989 and watching the Central Park Five go to prison. And so you could just tell the story over and over for every milestone that I've had in my life, it aligns with some pivotal thing happening to a Black body. You know, when Rodney King was beaten, it was the first time something like that got caught on film, besides historic lynchings, which were made celebratory back in the day.
But, you know, it was just good to talk about it. And it actually makes me think about some of the other stories in that first episode where some of our storytellers, more than one, even some of the clips that were included and some of the amazing clips that we weren't able to fit in, talked about this idea of...
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How did the Black Voices in Healthcare series get started and who were the key collaborators?
0:01–8:07
2
What was the inspiration behind the first episode’s focus on George Floyd, Rodney King, and historic trauma?
8:07–15:59
3
How did the storytellers convey Black joy through music, dance, and community celebrations?
15:59–22:41
4
Why is the episode on “touch” important for understanding patient‑provider relationships in Black healthcare?
22:41–29:46
5
What does “home” mean for Black clinicians and families, and how does birth shape that narrative?
29:46–37:24
6
How did COVID‑19 intersect with anti‑Black racism in the stories shared by the series?
37:24–44:35
7
What lessons did the creators learn about storytelling, community, and healing from producing the series?
44:35–54:02
8
Who were the behind‑the‑scenes contributors and why does continuing to share Black voices matter?
54:02–1:03:40