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What unique perspectives do Tommy and Donners share about refereeing?
Tonica, welcome along to another episode of The Dressing Room.
Yes, looking forward to it, Tommy. I enjoyed The Dressing Room because I think we're allowed to be a little bit freer. We're among friends, you know what I mean?
We're among friends, we are. And we thank you all, our friends, for joining us. Really, really, really appreciate it.
It's like walking around your house in your jocks, you know what I mean? You just feel comfortable doing this. It's grand to be in here. There's no one we should do The Dressing Room in our jocks, just because we're at home.
Well, I'm not quite at home and I don't think it would be appropriate for me to wear my jocks where I am right now. But anyway, listen, let's not get into that before I get chased out of here. Listen, today we're going to go look at a few, reminisce on a few memories potentially of dealing with referees. Now, I'm going to caveat this, OK, because I was never a captain. Never, even under 12s, a captain of a team. Never dealt with a referee. Never spoke to a referee. Stood on the wing my whole career. Never did. The only people I dealt with were the touch judges. Yeah, of course. And that was more them just shouting at me to get offside. Tell them to get, tell number 12 to go offside. I'm like, I can't, they don't talk to me like I can't.
So they're 80 metres away, sir. and they don't listen to me sir it's just me and you here man alright so I don't have great me and refs yeah yeah anyway listen you must have a right view because you were in the thick of it with a lot of referees at stages well I
I think it opens it up to the point. I think we're looking at the moment. Tyke Byrne just being announced as Munster's captain. And then Craig Casey stepping into that role. And it kind of spiraled out of that. Weren't we saying that some people are suited to leadership roles? And I think both of us would agree we're not. You know what I mean? In terms of... Genuinely, Tommy. You have to... That is called the helicopter approach. But you've got to spot everything, don't you? If you're skipped.
You turned off your mic, my love. This is actually, I think, this is something I've actually been thinking about, right? And obviously not thinking too deep about it.
It's quite worrying. Come on, yeah, yeah. It's going to be like, what would happen if you mixed, right, a Snickers, a packet of crisps,
What would be your go-to if you go to a shop, actually? Just out of interest.
At the moment, Star Bars.
How do Tommy and Donners reflect on their experiences with referees?
I can't get enough of Star Bars.
You've said that before. It's so weird.
It's like they're everywhere, man. They're on billboards and everything at the moment. Star Bars are having a movement.
I love a Snacks. The Snacks crisps.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, go back there. I don't think they're as tasty as they used to be. Maybe my taste buds have withered away.
I like them when they melt on your tongue almost. And I kind of eat them by bits. I buy them on the motorway and they seem to last me ages. Them or McCoy's because I break them up.
What about skips, if that's the case? You know, those ones that kind of dissolve.
Yeah. Kids love them. No, I'm not.
They feel like confession. A little bit.
Confession.
Prawn-favoured confession. Body of Christ.
Sorry. Going back to your leadership.
My mom's listening. Mom, I'm sorry.
We're absolutely married. We're talking about leadership, right? Just on you saying about we're never captains. And you're right. Everyone always talks about like Paul O'Connell and Brian O'Driscoll and Rory Best and Johnny Sexton and all. I'm like, yes, they are wonderful leaders, but they were born to be like that. It's not fair. Like we were on the pitch too, you know. We played our part. Surely we should get some kudos. Paul O'Connell couldn't have been the player he was without you beside him. You must have done something to help him. Where's the book on Donnach O'Callaghan?
And his leadership style. Can I be legit, right? You're right. They are natural leaders and they are incredible at it. But I was always most impressed with what I would nearly call like the foot soldiers, the drivers, the standard bearers, like, and the ones that jump out for me are the likes of Jerry Flannery, John Kelly,
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What unique perspectives do Tommy and Donners share about refereeing?
0:12–2:34
2
How do Tommy and Donners reflect on their experiences with referees?
2:34–5:01
3
What insights do they provide on leadership in rugby?
5:01–9:20
4
How do personal relationships with referees impact gameplay?
9:20–12:06
5
What are the challenges referees face during matches?
12:06–15:08
6
How do referees manage player interactions and emotions?
15:08–19:38
7
What memorable referee moments do Tommy and Donners recount?
19:38–24:58
8
What lessons can be learned from the refereeing experiences shared?
24:58–34:04
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