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Eric Puchner: “Dream State” | Oprah’s Book Club

Tue, 18 Feb 2025

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BUY THE BOOK! https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/744560/dream-state-by-eric-puchner Buy at Apple Books: https://books.apple.com/us/book/dream-state/id6504841280 Listen to the Audiobook on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4x3YoAvjZDfv7zEFg4CB8N?si=547a878fa812404f In this episode of Oprah’s Book Club: Presented by Starbucks, Oprah and author Eric Puchner discuss his newest book "Dream State" - a novel New York Times bestselling author Elin Hildebrand calls “an absolute masterpiece.” Set in Montana, Oprah’s 111th book club pick is a page turner and emotional rollercoaster that spans 50 years in the lives of college friends starting in the early 1990s. As we witness this tight circle experience friendship, a love triangle, marriage, raising kids aging and death, the novel evokes powerful questions about what really matters in life. For this conversation, Eric and Oprah are joined by a live audience enjoying Matcha Lattes in a Starbucks cafe in the iconic Empire State Building. Eric talks about character development, his writing process and his thought-provoking depiction of friendship, marriage and parenting while taking questions from the audience of avid readers. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@Oprah Follow Oprah Winfrey on Social: Instagram Facebook TikTok Listen to the full podcast: Spotify Apple Podcasts #oprahsbookclub Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: How did Eric Puchner react to Oprah's call?

5.262 - 17.669 Eric Puchner

Welcome, Eric. Thank you so much. You were so stunned when I called. I was incredibly stunned when you called. In fact, my publicist had made me think that he was just calling to talk about something kind of boring.

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18.009 - 27.014 Oprah Winfrey

Hello? Hello, is this Eric? Yes, it is. Eric, hi, it's Oprah Winfrey. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God.

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27.494 - 38.698 Eric Puchner

I teach at Johns Hopkins University and I I get terrible reception in my office, so I was crouched in my car in this kind of ugly parking lot, and then it was Oprah on the line. I almost dropped the phone. I was completely astonished.

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38.778 - 46.021 Oprah Winfrey

Well, it's great to have you here. I told you we were going to be in at Starbucks, Books in Conversation. And you know what you said? Oh, will I be a part of that?

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49.242 - 51.443 Oprah Winfrey

That's the whole idea, Eric!

54.664 - 72.718 Oprah Winfrey

Hi, everybody. Welcome to Oprah's Book Club, presented by Starbucks. Hello. We're here in the gorgeous New York City, Starbucks, and we are having some interesting books, conversation, and coffee. And we are all readers here. Hello, readers.

76.628 - 105.808 Oprah Winfrey

I think that your neighborhood Starbucks is a great place to get together with friends with a copy of my new book club pick and connect over a delicious cup of curated coffee. The pairing for this book is a matcha latte. My 111th book club pick is a real page turner and an emotional roller coaster. Wouldn't you say? It is the novel Dream State by Eric Hockner.

106.988 - 132.622 Oprah Winfrey

An absolute masterpiece, a wonder of character and craft. Beautiful, brilliant. One of the most anticipated books of 2025. That's just some of the literary praise for Eric Buchner's novel, Dream State. It's set among the serene lakes and picturesque mountains of Montana, which is its own dream state. This is a story about Cece, who's arrived alone in town one month early to plan her wedding.

133.122 - 153.37 Oprah Winfrey

It's also about her fiancé, Charlie, who's a doctor back in Los Angeles, and his best friend Garrett, who just happens to be the officiant for their wedding. When the tumultuous wedding day arrives, Cece makes a shocking choice that affects everybody in her life. That's when Dream State becomes a story about a love triangle spanning 50 years.

Chapter 2: What is the plot of 'Dream State' by Eric Puchner?

671.338 - 671.419 Eric Puchner

Okay.

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671.719 - 673.482 Oprah Winfrey

Okay. I would have thought more.

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673.502 - 679.563 Eric Puchner

I think she would make the best coffee. By far. Garrett is, he makes like cowboy coffee.

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679.583 - 709.925 Oprah Winfrey

No, you're going to meet at a Starbucks and have the coffee, okay? But you would have coffee with Cece. I would have had coffee with Jasper. Okay? Anybody else? Who would you choose to have coffee with? Yes? Yes? Jasper too? Jasper people. Jasper people. Okay? Garrett people. Okay? Charlie people. No, Charlie. Atlanta people. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Very good. All right.

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710.585 - 724.208 Oprah Winfrey

So you said that you were drawn to characters who find it difficult to navigate through life because those are the people who you often are drawn to in your own life. And so that was also a part of the writing for this.

724.728 - 745.896 Eric Puchner

Absolutely. I mean, it's partly that when you write a novel, only trouble is interesting. But also, I think one of the wonderful things about a writer is being able to empathize with people who are really struggling. And I'm interested in that in my work. I'm also interested in my life. And I wanted to write about Jasper in particular.

745.916 - 753.279 Eric Puchner

I have two close friends of mine, my best friends in high school, both became heroin addicts. So I was interested in writing about that epidemic.

753.726 - 774.709 Audience Member

Okay. Janet, you have a question. Normally novels last, you know, they're sometimes shorter. They're like 10 years in span, 10, 20 years. You chose to do a 50, almost 60 year spanning novel. Why did you choose to do something so lengthy that covers so many friendships, relationships, drama, all that kind of stuff? And what do you hope that people take away from it?

776.195 - 802.964 Eric Puchner

That's a terrific question. I'm really drawn to novels that are ambitious in that way with their use of time. One of my favorite novels is Light Years by James Salter. Also sort of focuses on a house and a family. I guess I'm drawn to novels in which time is the antagonist because I feel that's sort of the way that our lives are led and grappling with that. reality was really important to me.

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