Galen Strawson on Panpsychism (Part One)

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Mark Linsenmayer 0:01
This is Close Reads. A philosophy podcast with Mark and Wes. I'm Wes Alwyn. And I'm Mark Linsenmeyer. We are once again starting a new reading. And I had picked one. I'm going to be teaching a philosophy of mind class in the fall. People can sign up for that, partiallyexaminedlife.com slash class. And I'm trying to get back in the mode. So some of the next Partially Examined Life activity is going to be on philosophy of mind stuff. And I was definitely interested in panpsychism. I know you were too, Wes. So I had found this paper online. I think just searching like often cited philosophy of mind papers by Galen Strawson, another, we just did one by him on narrativity called Realistic Monism. Why physicalism entails panpsychism from 2008.
Mark Linsenmayer 0:49
What are your preconceptions, Wes, about panpsychism?
Wes Alwan 0:53
Well, you know, it's one of the, I think, I don't know if the word is plausible, but logical preconceptions. possible solutions to the problem of consciousness, to the mind-body problem. If we have trouble saying how something physical can give rise to subjectivity to something that seems to be non-physical, then perhaps if we posit that consciousness is a property of matter, maybe is the way to put it, I'm trying to think of how Philip Goff puts this. People can go look at his videos and read his books. He seems to be the leading proponent of panpsychism today. But I think the idea is that consciousness is a property. So physics tells us what, say, atoms and quarks do. But if we wanted to say what they are, this is Goff's analysis, we would have to say something about consciousness.
Mark Linsenmayer 1:59
All right, so I think we were hoping to – I know he's been on a number of podcasts. Maybe we'll ask him to be on with us or read some of his stuff in the fall perhaps. So to kind of warm us up here, let's just – yeah, so the first section is called Physicalism. As always, the link to the paper will be on the blog post associated with this or if you're watching it on YouTube in the description. Although YouTube does not allow actual hyperlinks. You have to copy the whole thing and put it in the top of the browser. Just Google. You can
Wes Alwan 2:28
just Google it. Yes,
Mark Linsenmayer 2:29
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Wes Alwan 3:19
All right, go ahead, Wes, please. Section one, physicalism. I take physicalism to be the view that every real concrete phenomena in the universe is physical. Wait for it. Physical. It is a view about the actual universe, and I am going to assume that it is true. For the purposes of this paper, I will equate concrete with spatio-temporally, or at least temporally, located, and I will use phenomenon as a completely general word for any sort of existent. Plainly, all mental goings-on are concrete phenomena. All right, let's... And there are footnotes. Phenomenon for any existent. But atoms aren't phenomena.
Mark Linsenmayer 4:06
Yeah, phenomena seems to involve being a phenomena for someone. Yes, an appearance. So this is a weird... I think it depends on what tradition you're talking in. If you say the cosmic phenomena, if you're talking about astronomy or something like that, I think there is a defensible... So it's like entity.
Wes Alwan 4:29
Yeah, but I don't know that... physicists say right and atoms are models you know you have theories and models i don't think the theories are called phenomena and the phenomena are the experimental data and the theories or models are posited but we would want to say they posit something real an entity that that's non-phenomenal so i i don't know and then we make this shift to all mental goings-on are concrete phenomena that seems to me to be um not true

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