Are our AI fears justified?
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Why are recent AI data breaches raising trust concerns?
The Pat Kenny Show on News Talk. Past few weeks there have been growing concerns about how trustworthy AI really is, with multiple data breaches, including that Australian government having their data breach and Revolute's second data breach in less than a month, are our AI fears. Justified Well, CEO of SmartReach 247, Raluca Sakunu, joins me now to discuss. You are very welcome to the programme. And we know that there have been multiple issues, particularly with open AI, and we know they have now launched an investigation into all of those breaches and those rogue agents. Is it your sense, though, I suppose at this point that we are really at the tip of the iceberg? Eric here when it comes to AI systems trying to
hack websites to hack databases, corporate systems to look for information, Roluca.
Good morning. Um, yes, I as a cybersecurity company, w because we're on the front line of this every day and we're responding to incidents and we're monitoring attacks, uh, we are seeing some genuinely concerning developments. AI is certainly a accelerating attacks and um one massive development this year has been Gent D K I. where, you know, we're AI isn't doesn't just advise hackers anymore. Um it it can carry out tasks on its own and I guess that's the concerning part. But um you know, it it it's also important to say that the the basics are still exploited, um, at a global level.
How are AI agents being used to hack websites and corporate systems?
Um, so we are seeing two huge problems compounding each other.
In terms of what has happened with open AI, in terms of that Australian breach, the company said that this was a misaligned model activity during training. This was basically an AI agent going rogue. How easy is it for those companies, for those AI systems to stop that from happening?
That's a interesting question. Um, and like I said before, a lot of these um attacks are exploiting very basic measures and the good news in this case was that no personal medical records were affected. Um However, we did see the case of of the AI agent being misaligned and um it pursued its own goals as it was trying to research public data on Medicare spending. Um the the problem here is that nobody notice. there was no real time monitoring in place. This was uh released three months after Um, open AI no notified this um in September and that's one of the big issues that we're seeing, the the fact that not only these AI agents are exploiting these systems
What went wrong in the Australian government AI breach and why was it missed?
But organizations don't have the right monitoring in place to see when that happens.
And when you say nobody noticed in this instant, is that because number one that they weren't being monitored or because nobody realised at that point that this level of exploitation might and could happen?
In the cases that we've seen in the numerous incidents that we've analyzed over the years and particularly over the last few months um quite a lot of these instances can be reported, uh, can be monitored, um, because what happens is as the AI agents are trying to pursue their goals. They're exploiting weaknesses in systems. They're trying to crack passwords, they're trying to move laterally, they're trying to pool data, they're they're acting like sophisticated hackers and all of these Yeah. maybe not a hundred percent of them, but there are certain signals that should be You know. uh notifying uh the p the victim organizations that something suspicious is happening in their organiz in in their systems, in their networks.
like in the case with hugging uh face, the incident was indeed uh picked up by other AI systems that Hugging Please were using.
Do AI company leaders genuinely care about safety or profit?
un unfortunately in the Australian case because this was a an attack on the website There were allegedly very poor measures in place and uh they didn't not get notified that somebody was Or an agent was in their system.
Yeah, and what was possibly even compounding the seriousness of that particular breach is that it took them so long to report it and to notify the Australian government of this. I mean, we have seen in recent months top AI leaders, including Sam Altman and Dario Muddy, warning that there needs to be regulation put in place, that we need to sort of slow down the rapid development that we are seeing.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
Why are recent AI data breaches raising trust concerns?
0:01–1:41
2
How are AI agents being used to hack websites and corporate systems?
1:41–3:03
3
What went wrong in the Australian government AI breach and why was it missed?
3:03–4:33
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Do AI company leaders genuinely care about safety or profit?
4:33–6:06
5
What would a voluntary slowdown of AI development look like?
6:06–7:11
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How can governments create effective AI regulation and oversight?
7:11–8:42
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What practical steps can organizations take to monitor and defend against AI‑driven attacks?
8:42–10:23