American Catholics form an important voting bloc in U.S. elections and, as mid-term elections approach, having the church onside is an important strategic goal for Donald Trump. However, in a high-level meeting between US Department of War officials and the Vatican’s U.S. ambassador, a serious fallout appears to have occurred. Joining Pat to discuss is Elise Ann Allen, a senior correspondent in the Vatican for Crux, an independent Catholic news outlet specialising in Vatican and global church news.

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