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Clearing the Confusion and Making Evidence-Based Food Choices | Drew Harrisberg

19 Sep 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #110, I sat down with Drew Harrisberg to talk about my book The Proof is in the Plants and how we should be using science to make public he...

Cell-Based Meat and the Future of Food | Bruce Friedrich

30 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #109, I sat down with Bruce Friedrich, lawyer and co-founder of the Good Food Institute, to talk about two solutions to current problems wi...

What Diet Is Best for Health? | David Katz, MD

15 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #108, I sat down with Dr David Katz, MD, who in my opinion is one of the clearest voices in an area of science littered with confusion, hid...

Why We Should Be Eating Sprouts | Doug Evans

30 Jun 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #107, I sat down with Doug Evans, author of The Sprout Book, to talk about the magical process of sprouting seeds and why we should all str...

Slow Ageing, Fight Disease, and Manage Your Weight | Dr Valter Longo, PhD

19 Jun 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #106, I sat down with Dr Valter Longo, PhD, to talk about eating to beat disease, manage your body weight, and live a long, healthy life.  ...

Regenerative Agriculture | Ryland Engelhart and Finian Makepeace

17 Jun 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #105, I sat down with Ryland Engelhart and Finian Makepeace from Kiss the Ground to continue the theme of how our food system and food choi...

Our Diet Is Destroying the Planet | Environmental Researcher Nicholas Carter

06 Jun 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #104, I sat down with environmental researcher Nicholas Carter to chat about how our current food system is affecting the environment. We d...

Nutrition for Healthy Kidney Function | Nephrologist Dr Shivam Joshi

20 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #103, I sat down with Dr Shivam Joshi to explore nephrology: the fascinating area of medicine dedicated to kidney health. Whether you have ...

A Healthy Gut Is Fibre Fuelled | Dr Will Bulsiewicz

13 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #102, Dr Will Bulsiewicz joined me for the fifth time to talk about his new book, Fiber Fueled, and to tackle a few areas of gut health tha...

Understanding Zoonotic Diseases | National Geographic Science Writer David Quammen

03 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #101, I was fortunate enough to sit down with well-known National Geographic writer and author David Quammen to talk about zoonotic disease...

Reflections during COVID-19 | Drew Harrisberg

26 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #100, I sat down with Drew Harrisberg to talk about the first 100 episodes of this show and some of the most important takeaways for me so ...

Overcoming Adversity and Seeking New Challenges | Rich Roll

18 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode 99 I sit down for a second time with ultra athlete Rich Roll to talk about the humble beginnings of his show, which is now one of the world...

Can We Slow and Reverse Ageing? | Dr David Sinclair

11 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #98, I sat down with Harvard professor Dr David Sinclair, PhD, to discuss the information theory of ageing, and in particular how we can sl...

How to Avoid Having a Stroke | Drs Dean and Ayesha Sherzai

18 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #97, I sat back down with Drs Dean and Ayesha Sherzai to talk about strokes – we discussed the different types of strokes (ischemic and h...

Game Changer | Nimai Delgado

08 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #96, I sat down for a catch up with plant-based pro bodybuilder Nimai Delgado. Having recently been in Los Angeles for almost 3 weeks, it w...

Plant-Based Nutrition during Pregnancy, Infancy, and Breastfeeding | Whitney English, RD

29 Feb 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #95, I sat down with Whitney English, registered dietician, to talk about plant-based nutrition during pregnancy, infancy, and breastfeedin...

A Plant-Based Ketogenic Diet for Diabetes | Cyrus Khambatta, PhD, and Robby Barbaro, MPH

23 Feb 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #94, I sat down with Cyrus Khambatta, PhD, and Robby Barbaro, MPH, for a second episode – this time for a deep dive into the plant-based ...

Why Your Blood Cholesterol Levels Are Important | Sean Ryan

16 Feb 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #93, I sat down again with Sean Ryan to check in and see how he’s doing with his transition to a plant-based lifestyle. We picked up from...

Lungs of Our Planet Need Our Help | Jimmy Halfcut

08 Feb 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #92, I sat down with Australian environmentalist James Stanton Cooke, or ‘Jimmy Halfcut’, to talk about the role that our rainforests p...

Healthy Weight Loss Is Not a Diet | Simon Hill, Msc, Bsc

02 Feb 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #91, it’s you and me again for another solo episode of The Proof podcast. As usual, this episode – focused on weight loss – is about ...

The Food We Eat is Killing Us | Dr Kim Williams

26 Jan 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #90, I sat down with former president of the American College of Cardiology, Dr Kim Williams, to discuss the role that our diet plays in pr...

Adopting a New Lifestyle to Reduce the Risk of Heart Disease | Sean Ryan

03 Jan 2020

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #89, I sat down with a long-time friend of mine, Sean Ryan. Sean and I recently caught up for dinner, and he expressed interest in changing...

Victims of Speciesism | Seb Alex

16 Dec 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #88, I sat down with Seb Alex to discuss the importance of animal welfare and what life looks like through the lens of an animal activist. ...

Eating More Plants, Leading by Example, and Building a Community with Purpose | Marie Fe and Jake Snow

06 Dec 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #87, I sat down with Marie Fe and Jake Snow, who are arguably two of the most inspiring individuals that I’ve come across in using social...

Being a Plant-Based Professional Footballer | AFL Player Chris Mayne

30 Nov 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #86, I sat down with AFL player Chris Mayne to talk about his transition to a plant-based diet as a professional athlete. Chris plays for t...

Australia’s Fastest Ever Female 800m Runner | Plant-Based Athlete Catriona Bisset

20 Nov 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #85, I sat down with plant-based Australian track athlete Catriona Bisset, who currently holds the national record for the 800m event. If y...

What Does a Healthy Plant-Based Diet Look Like? | Simon Hill, Msc, Bsc

28 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #84, it’s you and me again for another solo episode of The Proof podcast. As usual, this episode is about clearing up confusion, breaking...

Hidden Agendas in Science and the Media | Drew Harrisberg

14 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #83, a very good friend of mine, Drew Harrisberg, returned to the show to talk about hidden agendas in science and the media, with specific...

Why We Need to Be Careful Reading News Headlines about Nutrition | Simon Hill, Msc, Bsc

10 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #82, I return from a small break and record the first ‘solo’ episode of The Proof podcast. Yes, that’s right, the first episode witho...

Your Gut Health Questions | Dr Will Bulsiewicz – Part 2

18 Aug 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #81, I sat down with Dr Will Bulsiewicz for a second session of answering your gut health questions. All of the topics were suggestions fro...

Your Gut Health Questions | Dr Will Bulsiewicz – Part 1

11 Aug 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #80, I sat down with Dr Will Bulsiewicz, or Dr B, to go through some of the most common gut health questions out there! If you have tuned i...

How to Get More Out of Your Brain | Drs Dean and Ayesha Sherzai

26 Jul 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #78, I sat down with Drs Dean and Ayesha Sherzai for a second episode on brain health (both were previously guests on Episode #65). I canno...

Eating Plant-Strong Foods and Living in Alignment | Rip Esselstyn

21 Jul 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #77, I sat down with Rip Esselstyn to talk about his journey as a PLANTSTRONG athlete, health activist, and author. Rip is well known for T...

Reasons for Not Adopting a Plant-Based Diet | Nimai Delgado

13 Jul 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #76, I sat down with a good friend of mine and plant-based, pro bodybuilder, Nimai Delgado. In this episode, we chat about some of the more...

Stopping Heart Disease in Its Tracks | Dr Caldwell Esselstyn

07 Jul 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #75, I sat down with Dr Caldwell Esselsytn Jr, or Essy, to chat about his journey in medicine and the specific findings from his clinical t...

Truly Reversing Insulin Resistance and Type 2 Diabetes | Robby and Cyrus from Mastering Diabetes

29 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #74, I sat down with Robby and Cyrus from Mastering Diabetes to chat about diabetes (type 1, 1a, pre-, and type 2) and the role that nutrit...

Diet, Acne, and Bodybuilding | Brian Turner

23 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #73, I sat down with Brian Turner (aka Brock Lee) to talk about his experience with acne. We delve into the reasons why he is grateful to a...

Being Unapologetically You | Sjana Elise Earp

19 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #72, I sat down with plant-based yogi Sjana Earp to chat about yoga, healing, transformation, and living with purpose. This is a different ...

How You Can Prevent Chronic Disease | Dr Dean Ornish

16 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #71, I sat down with one of the pioneers of lifestyle medicine, Dr Dean Ornish. Dr Ornish is best known for the randomised controlled trial...

Gut Health and Quitting a Plant-Based Diet | Dr Will Bulsiewicz

09 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #70, I sat down with gastroenterologist Dr Will Bulsiewicz to talk about those who’ve quit their plant-based lifestyles and the gut-healt...

Finding the Flow State | Red Bull Athlete Patrick Seabase

01 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #69, I sat down with Red Bull athlete Patrick Seabase, who cycles over mountain passes involving gruelling climbs and steep descents on a b...

Managing IBS | Dr Sarina Pasricha

24 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #68, I sat down with gastroenterologist Dr Sarina Pasricha to break down irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), an incredibly common condition tha...

Losing 200 Pounds and Discovering Self-Love | Adam Sud

10 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #66, I sat down with Adam Sud, a tremendously brave young man who turned his life around from the lowest of lows by discovering his ‘true...

How Food Affects Brain Health | Drs Dean and Ayesha Sherzai

06 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #65, I sat down with Drs Ayesha and Dean Sherzai, or Team Sherzai, who are neurologists from California. They are experts in the prevention...

Running, Cycling, and Kayaking across Australia | Kieran De Visser

01 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #64, I sat down with Kieran De Visser, founder of the not-for-profit organisation Endurothon Oz, which aims to stop plastic pollution at it...

Social Media and Our Mental Health | Katie Williams

23 Apr 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #63, I sat down with Australian athlete, media personality, podcaster, and health advocate Katie Williams to chat about social media and co...

From Paleo to Keto to Plant-Based Diets | Drew Harrisberg

06 Apr 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #62, I sat down with exercise physiologist, and lover of all things health and wellness, Drew Harrisberg. We discussed Drew’s journey wit...

Putting Rheumatoid Arthritis into Remission | Clint Paddison

29 Mar 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #61, I sat down with founder of the Paddison Program, Clint Paddison, to chat about his journey with rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and how he w...

Using Your Voice for Good | Ziggy Alberts

24 Mar 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #60, I sat down with fellow Australian and ocean lover Ziggy Alberts (@ziggyalberts). At just 24 years of age, Ziggy has quickly forged his...

How Do the Longest-Living People Eat? | Dr Renae Thomas

15 Mar 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #59, I sat down with Dr Renae Thomas, MD, a physician working in Loma Linda, California, one of the ‘Blue Zone’ areas that display incr...

Managing Type 2 Diabetes | Dr Neal Barnard

08 Mar 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #58, I sat down with one of the pioneers of lifestyle medicine, Dr Neal Barnard, to break down the process by which people become insulin r...

Animal Activism | Carly Taylor and James Aspey

02 Mar 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #57, I sat down with Carly Taylor and James Aspey to talk about animal activism and the importance of being patient, kind, and understandin...

Addressing Gut Health Issues | Dr Alan Desmond

22 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #56, I sat down with gastroenterologist Dr Alan Desmond to talk about restoring and maintaining good digestive health with healthy eating h...

Turning Life Challenges into Life Purpose | Adidas Trainer Tanya Poppett

14 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #55, I sat down with superstar Adidas trainer Tanya Poppett to talk about her journey into the world of health and fitness. In particular, ...

How Dietary Changes Can Positively Affect Your Way of Living | Erin Ireland

09 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #54, I sat down with Erin Ireland to talk about why she personally transitioned to a plant-based lifestyle and how this affected her busine...

Pro Bodybuilding on a Plant-Based Diet | Torre Washington

01 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #53, I sat down with Torre Washington to talk about his journey, how he got into bodybuilding, and what it’s like being a plant-based bod...

Optimising Your Performance | Nike Master Trainer Joe Holder

25 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #52, I sat down with Joe Holder, founder of the Ocho System. He is an absolute wealth of knowledge when it comes to exercise optimisation a...

Leaving a Positive Mark on the World | Pop Star Benny Cristovao

16 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #51, I had the absolute privilege of sitting down with European pop sensation Ben Cristovao or ‘Benny Cristo’ as he goes by. Ben is a m...

Belief Systems | Will Dalton

11 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #50, I sat down with good friend Will Dalton to chat about aspects of my own life, including what inspired me to transition to a plant-base...

Ocean Plastics | Tim Silverwood

22 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #47, I sat down with environmentalist, fellow Aussie, and ocean lover Tim Silverwood. Tim is the co-founder of Take 3, an organisation that...

From Heart Attack to Ironman | Adam Guthrie

19 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #46, I sat down with Adam Guthrie to hear about his journey, which at one point saw him in a critical care hospital literally fearing for h...

Plant-Based Sushi Chef | Guy Vaknin

15 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #45, I sat down with the owner of Beyond Sushi, chef Guy Vaknin, to learn more about his story and the journey of one of my favourite pl...

Plant-Based in Hawaii | Earthy Andy

09 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #44, I caught up with Andrea, who you may know as Earthy Andy, on the north shore of Oahu. Andy was in the final few weeks of her pregnan...

Improving America’s Health | Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams

05 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #43, I sat down with Brooklyn Borough President, Eric Adams, to chat about his personal health journey. Eric is a former NYPD police office...

Journey of a Pro Surfer | Alana Blanchard

01 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #42, I caught up with pro surfer and vegan mother Alana Blanchard in Kauai, Hawaii. From when she was just 8 years old, Alana had a dream t...

Creating a Conscious Family | Ellen Fisher

26 Nov 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #41, I sat down with Ellen Fisher to learn about her journey and the steps she’s taken to build a family centred around consciousness, ab...

Adopting a Positive Mental Attitude | John Joseph

22 Nov 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Episode #40 is certainly not for the faint hearted. Legendary punk rocker, author, and plant-powered athlete John Joseph takes us through his life and...

Preventing Heart Attacks and Chronic Disease | Dr Rob Ostfeld

18 Nov 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #39 of The Proof podcast, I sat down with cardiologist Dr Rob Ostfeld to talk about preventative medicine and how he treats his patients to...

Making Self-Love a Priority | Bianca Taylor

12 Nov 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #38 of The Proof podcast, I spoke with Bianca Taylor about her journey from a seemingly lost, sad, and powerless soul to a vibrant, inspira...

Clearing the Confusion around Saturated Fat, Cholesterol, Paleo, and Keto | Dr Michelle McMacken

07 Nov 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #37, I sat down for the second time with Dr Michelle McMacken (previous guest on Episode #2) to talk about the science behind eating for lo...

Benefits of Changing Just One Meal a Day | Suzy Amis Cameron

01 Nov 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #36, I sat down with Suzy Amis Cameron, wife of popular filmmaker James Cameron, at her house in Malibu to chat about her life and how we c...

Taking Control of Your Life | Rich Roll

27 Oct 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #35, I sat down with plant-based dad, author, endurance athlete, and podcast host Rich Roll. We went through his journey from an unhealthy ...

Connecting with Nature | Raw-Food Expert Ben Richards

20 Oct 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #34, I caught up with Ben Richards, owner of Seeds of Life Cafe in Ubud, Bali, to chat about his story and what raw or ‘living’ foods a...

Inventive Cooking | Chef Gaz Oakley

11 Oct 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #32, I sat down with world-renowned vegan chef Gaz Oakley to discuss his story and rise to stardom over the past three years. Since early 2...

From Sick and Tired to Thriving | Loni Jane

03 Oct 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #31 of The Proof podcast, I sat down with Loni Jane. Loni started sharing her journey pretty much as soon as Instagram was launched. She’...

A Life of Good Vibes | Jack Wilson

28 Sep 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #30, I sat down with Australia’s ninja warrior pinup boy Jack Wilson to talk about mindset, creating good vibes, and making life-changing...

Positive Impact through Business | Damien Clarkson

24 Sep 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #29, I talked with Damien Clarkson to get his insights into the plant-based movement in the UK. Listen to learn about Damien’s personal s...

Health as a Priority | DJ Tigerlily

20 Sep 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #28, I spoke to one of Australia’s top DJs, DJ Tigerlily (Dara Kristen Hayes), to find out how she navigated her way through an industry ...

Your Vegan Nutrition Questions Answered | Simon Hill and Jeremy Butler

17 Sep 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #27, we use a question-and-answer format with show host Simon Hill (@theproof) and previous show guest Jeremy Butler (@bar_night). This epi...

Nutritional and Medicinal Properties of Mushrooms | Julian Mitchell

12 Sep 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #26 of The Proof podcast, I talked with Julian Mitchell about the nutritional and medicinal properties of mushrooms. Julian is the co-found...

Cultivating Happiness | Emily Hazell

09 Sep 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #25, I chatted to Emily Hazell, owner of Serotonin Eatery in Melbourne, about cultivating happiness with healthy habits. We covered Emily’...

Positive Impact Media | Robbie Lockie

05 Sep 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #24, I sat down with co-founder of Plant Based News, Robbie Lockie. Plant Based News has quickly grown to become one of, if not the, most-v...

One Man’s Journey from Keto to Plant-Based | Jeremy Butler

31 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #23 of The Proof, Jeremy Butler shares his journey from a keto to a plant-based diet. At first glance, Jeremy is your everyday Aussie bloke...

Food Innovation That Can Save the world | Thomas King

24 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #22, I spoke with Thomas King, CEO and founder of Food Frontier, about cellular and plant-based meat alternatives and how they can save the...

A Year-Long Vow of Silence | James Aspey

18 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #21, I spoke with animal activist James Aspey on the horrors of factory farming and why he gave up meat. An Australian animal activist and ...

Mental Illness and Addiction | Osher Günsberg

12 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #20, Australian celebrity TV host (and vegan) Osher Günsberg (who formerly went by Andy G or Andrew G) shares his story and, in particular...

Nutrition Science | Frank Cusimano

08 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #19, I talked with Frank Cusimano (@dr.cusimano) about using science to make informed food choices. With a host of scientific degrees under...

Empowering Women and Creating Eco-Friendly Businesses | Zanna Van Dijk

03 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #18, I sat down with Zanna Van Dijk (@zannavandijk) to talk about leading a conscious life to leave the world in a better place than we fou...

Building a Healthy Gut | Dr Will Bulsiewicz

25 Jul 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #17, I chatted to the gut health MD Dr William Bulsiewicz about how to cultivate a healthy gut microbiome and what this actually means. Dr ...

Running for the Animals | Marathon Runner Fiona Oakes

19 Jul 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #16, I spoke to Fiona Oakes about her path to becoming a marathon runner with three world records despite losing her kneecap (patella) to a...

Choosing Compassion | Chef Derek Sarno

12 Jul 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #15 of The Proof podcast, I spoke with vegan Derek Sarno about his journey to choosing a life of compassion. Derek Sarno is one of the worl...

What’s on your plate? | Matt Cama

08 Jul 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #14, I talked with Matt Cama, an animal activist and weight loss coach from Australia, to ask him to shed some light on what’s happening ...

A No-Waste Life | Vegan Chef Max La Manna

28 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #13 of The Proof podcast, Max La Manna shares his story of how to live a no-waste life. Max is the perfect example of a typical American ki...

Building a Positive Mindset | Ben Handsaker

21 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #12 I sat down with Ben Handsaker (better known as Abstacker), an Australian champion fitness model, cover model, international motivationa...

Mental Health | Sam Webb

13 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #11, I connected with Sam Webb to find out about his experiences with mental health. We talked about Sam’s personal mental health battles...

A Plant-Based Journey | Dietitian Ellie Bullen

05 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #10, I was joined by Ellie Bullen, one of the best-known health and wellness influencers online. Listen to the episode to find out about he...

Dr Padma Garvey - Vegan Mother & Practicing Doctor That Uses Plant Based Nutrition Clinically

02 Jun 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #9 of The Proof podcast, I talked to Dr Padma Garvey about her story and how she uses plant-based nutrition in her medical practice. We cov...

Professional American Soccer Player Jermaine Jones

24 May 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #8, I spoke to Jermaine Jones, professional soccer player and plant-based. He grew up in Germany, where he began his professional soccer ca...

Plant-Based Beverages | Maya French

17 May 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #7, I spoke to Maya French, the co-founder of start-up company ‘Koia’. Koia produces plant-based beverages sold across the USA in thous...

Former Australian Rules Football Player Jobe Watson

11 May 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In Episode #6, I spoke with Australian rules football champion Jobe Watson. Jobe captained Essendon Football Club for six years and won the Australia...