Bring Back V10s: Why Benetton's post-Schumacher era was so rough
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Benetton were on top of the world in the middle of the 1990s, winning back-to-back F1 titles with Michael Schumacher to become F1's new elite team, sitting above titans like Williams, McLaren and Ferrari. But after winning the Drivers' and Constructors' Championships in 1995, Benetton faced a new challenge. Schumacher was off to Ferrari, and the team now had to prove its success wasn't just about the driver. It banked on Jean Alessi as its new star, paired him up with his old Ferrari teammate Gerhard Berger, and for the first time since the 1980s, it failed to win a race. So where did it all go wrong? And was this simply a case of a Michael Schumacher hangover? To help me, Glenn Freeman, dive into that on this episode of Bring Back V10s, we have Matt Beer and Ben Anderson.
Matt, when you think of Benetton's first year in its post-Schumacher era in 1996, what's the first thing that comes to mind?
What led to Benetton's decline after Schumacher's departure?
It's a really vivid image of John Lacey going backwards, probably with bits hanging off his car, loads of tyre smoke as he spin turns fruitlessly. And it could be from any one of about five races that season. I can't even picture which one I've got in mind. There's such a clear image of cloud of tyre smoke, semi-wrecked Benetton, hopes going nowhere. Justin the Benetton.
Yeah, the image you're describing there to me is Melbourne, the first race, when he clatters into Eddie Irvine. That's what I thought you were describing.
Yeah, I think there's at least one moment, maybe three at Imola, that look almost identical in my mind as well. He gave a few options.
Yeah, particularly shambolic, the Imola race. Ben, what about you?
Oh, for me, it's just massive relief as a David Hill fan that Michael Schumacher was no longer in that team with that engine. It was like, oh, yes, now there is a chance of a chance of the dream coming true.
Oh, wow. I should have seen that coming. I should have seen that coming, but I genuinely didn't. i'm back yeah yeah hopefully that's hopefully that is the only mention of damon hill in this episode i don't think i've put any in no way um but before we get on then to how benetton did without schumacher let's look at how team boss flavio briatore felt about michael leaving Briatore said years later on F1's Beyond the Grid podcast that he wasn't surprised Schumacher wanted to go to Ferrari, but he did try to convince him to stay. Flavio's message to Schumacher was, let's take two more years, win two championships. Then when you go to Ferrari, you can charge them more because you are a four-time world champion, not a two-time.
How did Benetton choose their new drivers for the post-Schumacher era?
But Flavio also felt that Schumacher needed a fresh challenge because he was feeling it was too easy with Benetton. Pat Simmons said years later that Schumacher leaving hurt Briatore and he felt that the pain of that led to Briatore making some decisions that were not the best things we ever did in reaction. Those were Pat's words. But Ben, what do you think of Flavio's logic there to Schumacher? Win more championships with us and then go to Ferrari and charge them more money.
Well, is it logic or is it just desperation? I can see where he's coming from. Also, Flavio, he likes to feel close to his drivers, right? He likes to feel like he's in control. He can pick them up, drop them. The ones that are good, oh, yeah, we're buddying up and really, really close to each other. I can see why he would feel hurt that Schumacher was just looking elsewhere. But, I mean, the logic of... Yeah, of course he's going to want to keep him around because I think deep down he knows without Schumacher there, winning championships and being as successful as they have been is not impossible, but a lot, lot, lot more difficult. And it gives you then a chance to succession plan. I think teams are really bad at succession planning, particularly in this era.
So he's probably thinking, well, if I can just keep Michael on board for a bit, then it gives me a bit more runway to figure out what I'm going to do. But, I mean, Schumacher... He doesn't need another two world championships to go and charge Ferrari more money.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–1:10
2
What led to Benetton's decline after Schumacher's departure?
1:10–2:56
3
How did Benetton choose their new drivers for the post-Schumacher era?
2:56–5:42
4
What challenges did Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger face in 1996?
5:42–12:11
5
How did Flavio Briatore react to Schumacher leaving for Ferrari?
12:11–17:00
6
What internal conflicts arose within the Benetton team?
17:00–24:32
7
How did Benetton's financial decisions impact their performance?
24:32–31:39
8
What mistakes did Benetton make in driver management during the transition?
31:39–1:14:47
Speakers
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