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The Ramsey Show

Your Financial Chaos Ends Today

13 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

4.942 - 35.002 George Kamel

Brought to you by the EveryDollar app. Start budgeting for free today. Normal is broke and common sense is weird. So we're here to help you transform your life. From the Ramsey Network in the Fairwinds Credit Union studio, this is The Ramsey Show. I'm George Campbell, joined by my good friend and best-selling author, Dr. John Deloney. We're taking your calls at 888-825-5225. Don't be shy.

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35.042 - 49.885 George Kamel

Give us a call. Get through our phone screen or Christian, and you will be on the airwaves helping other people who might be in a similar situation that you're in. So we'd love to hear from you. Eden is going to kick us off in Kansas City. What's going on, Eden?

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49.905 - 50.686 Unknown

Howdy, y'all. How are you doing?

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51.067 - 51.688 George Kamel

Great. How are you?

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52.428 - 60.536 Unknown

I'm doing all right. All right. So my question is, how do I stop my fiance's mother from stealing her student loans?

61.357 - 62.598 George Kamel

Stealing whose student loans?

63.459 - 64.179 Unknown

My fiance's.

64.96 - 74.049 George Kamel

Okay. So your future mother-in-law took the money that your wife, your fiance took out for student loans and is using it for nefarious purposes?

75.47 - 104.002 Unknown

It seems so. So last week we were trying to figure out, you know, Hey, what are her student loans going to look like? She transferred from a university to a community college to finish her nursing program. And we asked her mom because apparently my fiance's student loans went to her mom's checking account because her mom wanted to put it from her checking account into my fiance's savings.

Chapter 2: How do I stop my fiancée's mother from stealing her student loans?

174.054 - 184.866 George Kamel

She needs to stop putting money in there. Because now your fiancé is on the hook for loans that she never saw the money for. Like, did the money even go to the school to pay for the tuition?

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185.285 - 205.229 Unknown

We, that's what we're trying to figure out. So we know that when she was at, um, university, she, we know the, we know the amounts went there. Um, and she here in Missouri, we have a thing called a plus where you get your community college for free. If, as long as you do like, you know, community service hours. Right.

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205.89 - 225.442 Unknown

And so that's why she transferred from university to use those and to get her, um, to finish her nursing program at, um, a community college. Um, cause it's the same, you know, same title. Right. So, um, we, we, we don't know. And that's why we were trying to look. And every time we ask her mom, like, Hey, how much is there?

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225.482 - 228.867 Unknown

She kind of beats around the bush and then gets, gets kind of annoyed with us.

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229.308 - 246.055 Dr. John Delony

All you have to, all you have to do is, um, two things. One, your fiance needs to put a freeze on her credit report. So nobody will borrow any more money against her, period. She also needs to pull her credit report and see what else, because often this kind of behavior doesn't happen in a vacuum.

247.237 - 258.694 Unknown

Right. And we did pull the credit report, and I actually have the breakdowns of, I think there's four or five individual loans. We just can't see if they were cashed to...

259.13 - 286.318 George Kamel

um the university or community college or not so you need to contact those institutions get a balance and say hey what is this do i have any past due bills were all these things paid i need receipts for all this you basically need to be your own forensic forensic accountant and go back through everything and figure out what was paid what was owed what are all the receipts how much loans did we take out and then there also needs to be this come to jesus conversation with mom because she's essentially committed identity theft and fraud

287.632 - 294.121 Unknown

Right, and that's what we're concerned about because, I mean, we don't want Christmas and Thanksgiving, especially this being— Well, that's over.

294.141 - 318.855 Dr. John Delony

Listen, homie, that ship has sailed. If your mother-in-law or your future mother-in-law is accrued enough to steal from her daughter, Christmas is over, brother, at least for a while. So you have to let that ship go. I'm also going to tell you this. You have to be your fiance's chief supporter, not you dragging her around through a Law & Order episode.

Chapter 3: What should we do about unpaid taxes from my ex-wife?

481.694 - 483.736 Dr. John Delony

Okay. That ship has sailed.

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485.058 - 505.08 George Kamel

All right. There's a spectrum here from control freak to criminal. And so your job is just to be a support for her, help her research this. But she needs to take the reins. She needs to regain control of whatever was lost in her life and have the hard conversations with mom. And you just stepping in the middle of that to be the hero is not going to play out long term.

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505.1 - 543.162 Dr. John Delony

And two other things. Don't ever – this is going to sound crazy. Don't talk bad about her mom. Talk good about her, support her. And the second thing is, man, if she won't have a hard conversation with her mom now, I promise you she's not going to have hard conversations when the stakes get higher after y'all are married. You've worked hard to control your money.

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543.683 - 566.074 Dr. John Delony

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566.114 - 583.937 Dr. John Delony

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584.317 - 609.796 Dr. John Delony

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610.297 - 615.769 Dr. John Delony

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634.514 - 638.079 George Kamel

Kevin is up next in Minneapolis. What's going on, Kevin? How can we help today?

639.881 - 662.45 Unknown

Hey, thanks for taking my call. Sure. So my wife and I are currently in the market for a new vehicle, and we have enough cash saved up to be able to pay for it in full. But my question is, why would we if we could just hang on to the money that we have in our money market account and earn more than what the APR is on the loan?

Chapter 4: How can I encourage my adult children to contribute financially?

1305.76 - 1335.531 George Kamel

So don't wait. It's fast, it's easy, and it could make all the difference. Go to Zander.com or call 800-356-4282. Protect yourself, protect your income, protect your family. Jonathan is in Montana. Jonathan, welcome to The Ramsey Show.

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1337.218 - 1338.403 Unknown

Hi, how are you guys?

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1338.423 - 1340.01 George Kamel

Great. How can we help today?

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1340.868 - 1373.026 Unknown

So I had a previous marriage that in the court case, I requested my business documents. She never returned them. Long story short, for the two years, we owed $23,966. In the court documents, she agreed to pay her half of it. And still to date, which we're going on almost three years, she has not paid her half of it.

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1373.046 - 1402.618 Unknown

And I'm finally at a point in my life where I have a chance to pay off a bunch of debt. My fiance, who is very soon to be my wife, I would like your guys' advice on whether if I marry her... if I should just pay the IRS off and deal with a couple of these other debts and just move forward with my life.

1404.361 - 1408.708 Dr. John Delony

So she owes about $12,000, $11,500, something like that?

1409.769 - 1419.103 Unknown

Yeah, something like that. She filed for an innocent spouse relief, and they denied it due to the fact that she knew full well what she was signing.

1419.123 - 1421.567 Dr. John Delony

So are you going to take her back to court and get the money?

1422.644 - 1434.476 Unknown

That's what I was asking is, is it something where I should just let that one loom or should I just pay the IRS off so they're not breathing down my neck?

Chapter 5: How does the government shutdown affect military paychecks?

3924.578 - 3928.162 Michelle

And as you know, the government shut down, so we don't even know if we're going to get a paycheck on the 15th.

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3928.482 - 3935.25 Dr. John Delony

Oh, jeez. Can I just say I hate this for you? I hate this for you. I'm so sick of this.

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3937.846 - 3961.575 Dr. John Delony

hold on take a breath you're good you're good no take a breath it's you're here you're here like literally serving your country and you're a pawn in this weird scheme you've become a chess piece and other people it's just i hate it i do too as a taxpayer yeah you're like you're like tell me about it i'm not yeah you're the one not getting paid as a taxpayer can i just tell you i hate this is happening to you and it shouldn't be happening i'm sorry

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Chapter 6: What options are available for managing debt during financial hardship?

3962.551 - 3963.312 Michelle

I appreciate that.

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3963.332 - 3969.399 Dr. John Delony

Thank you for loving my family and George's family and taking care of us. I appreciate you. This sucks. This is stupid.

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3970.159 - 3970.54 Michelle

It does.

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Chapter 7: How can military families navigate financial challenges during a shutdown?

3970.6 - 3997.628 Michelle

It's not fun. Especially with bills still having to come out. So USAA is offering a government shutdown loan for those. Basically they're paying out interest free to cover what service members are not receiving from the paycheck. It's up to the amount of their paycheck. I am on the fence about it. Because it's interest-free, it's enticing. I wouldn't do this.

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3998.449 - 4002.657 Dr. John Delony

Well, you're calling the Ramsey Show, so obviously you're never going to take it.

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4002.677 - 4004.34 Michelle

I know. I'm not going to get a yes answer.

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4004.36 - 4009.129 Dr. John Delony

But listen, one of the last bargaining chips I heard was, I'm not going to pay any back pay.

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Chapter 8: What steps should be taken when facing overwhelming debt?

4010.611 - 4014.635 Michelle

Well, I will get back pay. There's 0% interest. I'll receive my back pay.

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4014.876 - 4027.71 Dr. John Delony

No, no, no. No, what I'm saying is one of the last bargaining things I heard was if the shutdown continues, I'm not giving anybody back pay. That was one of the sides. I don't remember which side. That was one of the sides' arguments.

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4027.73 - 4035.558 George Kamel

As in what if that paycheck doesn't show up and you still have this loan hanging over you? Correct. So that's something to think through. Do you guys have anything in savings right now?

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4036.84 - 4038.762 Michelle

Well, we just have the starter savings right now.

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4038.882 - 4039.423 George Kamel

Do you have $1,000?

4039.503 - 4040.584 Michelle

Which is $1,000.

4040.817 - 4044.902 George Kamel

Yes. Okay. And what is your next bills that are coming up that you need to pay?

4046.224 - 4054.313 Michelle

Our utilities, daycare, because we still have to go to work, tuition, and mortgage.

4055.955 - 4058.118 George Kamel

Tuition, mortgage. Okay, what's the mortgage?

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