Wealthy People Are Hiding in Plain Sight (ft. Owen Zidar) | #428
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Why is owning a business the most common path to wealth in America?
The way you get rich is by owning, not earning. We have some of the coolest data that's ever been assembled on the rich in America. She told me for herself, she said if I could give my daughter forty million dollars or zero, I would give her zero.
Welcome to episode 428 of the Rapture Reminder Podcast. I'm Ben Felix, Chief Investment Officer at PWL Capital.
And I'm Camera Passmore, Chief Executive Officer of PWL Capital. Today, Ben, we were joined by Owen Zidar, Professor of Economics, Finan Researcher, and co-author of the book The Everywhere Millionaire.
Owens a professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton. In the episode we talk about the unglamorous industries behind most fortunes, what the inequality debate misses and how the rich spend their money and their time. Super interesting.
Super interesting as always stick around to the end to hear our thoughts about the conversation with Owen. But for now, let's get into the episode.
ONZR, welcome to the Rational Reminder Podcast.
Thanks for having me.
On what's wrong with a common perception of what it means to be wealthy?
Most people think that the way you get rich is to be like Elon Musk or Jamie Diamond or Taylor Swift. When you look in the data, that's just not actually at all who the typical rich person is in America. There are often ordinary business owners who've gotten extraordinarily rich running unglamorous private businesses. So I have three young kids, and so I read a lot of kids' books and we've half jokingly talked about Writing the ABCs of getting rich for the children's market. It's like A for auto dealer, B for beverage distributor, and C for contractor. They're pretty mundane businesses, but when you have the opportunity like us to work with the Treasury and do the full map of wealth in America, it's just very different because people don't answer surveys.
And unless you have investigative journalists or a celebrity following, you're just not going to see the the vast majority of private companies that don't have to file quarterly to investors.
Can you talk about why that's important for people to understand?
Yes. There are two key reasons. One is if you want to get rich yourself. I think these everywhere millionaires provide a roadmap for success in America. And the second is if you want to understand the economy and influence, these folks are really central characters in the saga of rising inequality in America.
So interesting. It makes me think about I I listened to a podcast a while ago with Mike Rowe. Do you remember the show Dirty Jobs?
No, but I know the title, but I think that's in the right vicinity.
He did the show where he would go and kind of spend a day with people that did really dirty like people cleaning sewers and stuff like that. And he talked about how a ton of those people you would never know from watching the show, but a ton of those people were very wealthy because they own these types of businesses.
That's spot on. It's funny, our neighbor is like talking about turning this into a documentary and he puts the first clip together and one of the things he shows of going from like the great Gatsby, Leonardo DiCaprio, and a nice scene from the show Billions, and he goes right to Porter Potties. And it's just like this guy who owns a hundred porter potties and you know, think about all the big events, like all the races, and Toronto has a big marathon. You name the thing. It's someone needs to get porter potties there and clean them. And turns out that's a pretty good business if you have it at some scale.
Sure is. How has the source of income at the very top changed over the past century?
Yeah, it's quite interesting to watch the rise of entrepreneurial income from private business. If you look at top point one percent of income, I'll give you a few numbers. So in 1960, 17% of that income came from entrepreneurial income from business owners, and almost twice that came from wages. Or if you go to 2022, 43% came from private business, and only 35% came from wages. And so you've seen this big rise in the share of income, especially at the top, from private business.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
Why is owning a business the most common path to wealth in America?
0:00–10:39
2
How do “everywhere millionaires” reshape our view of inequality?
10:39–16:36
3
What does the rise of entrepreneurial income among the top 0.1% reveal about the economy?
16:36–27:35
4
Which ordinary industries produce the majority of Main‑Street millionaires?
27:35–37:47
5
Why does building wealth through business ownership typically take decades?
37:47–51:31
6
How do early‑career choices and domain expertise affect entrepreneurial success?
51:31–1:04:49
Speakers
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