Show notes
What happens when realist approaches meet other research traditions, disciplines and ways of knowing? And how can researchers work across different assumptions about evidence, causation, truth, knowledge and equity without flattening, absorbing or privileging one tradition over another? In this thoughtful conversation, Alejandro is joined by Dr Kenneth Yakubu, whose work sits at the intersection of health systems, global health governance, implementation research, health equity, Indigenous methodologies and realist thinking. Yakubu reflects on his journey from family medicine in Nigeria to global health research, interdisciplinary work, and his current role across health systems implementation research and Indigenous health at the George Institute for Global Health in Sydney, Australia. He discusses how his clinical training helped him see people rather than diseases, and how this shaped his attention to context, complexity, culture, history and lived experience.The conversation explores Yakubu’s experience developing a realist protocol for evaluating the Healthy Homes and Neighbourhoods Project in Sydney, an integrated care initiative designed to support families facing complex healthand social challenges. The protocol brought together realist approaches, Indigenous research methodologies, implementation science, qualitative methods, quantitative analysis and health economics. Reaching shared agreement took nearly two years Yakubu reflects on the tensions that emerged around truth, voice, evidence, analysis and self-determination. He discusses why some team members found realist language or assumptions difficult, how Indigenous research traditions raised important questions about visibility, community voice and historical harms, and how the team worked through disagreement without forcing premature consensus.Whether you’re an evaluator, researcher, public health practitioner, implementation scientist, policymaker, student, or someone interested in realist approaches, Indigenous methodologies, global health, health equity or interdisciplinary research, this episode offers valuable insights into the messy but necessary work of building shared understanding across different ways of knowing.